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08-25-2019, 01:29 AM | #23 | |
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Then why are you posting this on the E90 forum? Here, I even did the hard work for you and linked directly to a thread discussing F30 pricing over at the F30 forum.
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New vs. used comes down to personal preference and your negotiated sale price. When I bought my first new car (after my trusty used car finally died on me) I was always taught this myth of "NEVER BUY A NEW CAR YOU'LL LOSE SO MUCH MONEY," so I focused my search on a three year old used car. The prices were ridiculous. I was looking at Honda Accords, and they were all $17,000-$18,000. Most of the ones I looked at in this price range had minor cosmetic issues that I didn't feel like dealing with, and one "certified pre-owned" model even had an obvious slipping transmission. So instead I shopped around and bought a brand new one for $20,500. Spending $3500 more for a brand new car was worth every penny for me, as I put 160K miles on it over 13 years with nothing but routine maintenance. Prior to the accident that ended its life, the body, paint, and interior were immaculate because I took care of it since new. I also once bought a used Audi A4 because it was $15,000 less than a new one and still had a year of warranty left. That was a good decision, better than buying new, at least from a new/used decision standpoint. The decision to buy an A4 turned out to be a horrible choice due to the numerous electrical issues I had to deal with. Looking back on that purchase, I was against BMW at the time because the E46 didn't have as much potential to easily increase power (being NA) as the A4 could with upgraded turbochargers and a reflash, but the E46 would have been the better car for sure. |
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Used cars are cheaper than new cars. The difference is 'value loss'. Philosophical problem solved. |
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08-25-2019, 06:38 AM | #25 | |
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The cents-per-mile is also somewhat arbitrary, because it really is a determination of value to you of what you are paying for. Meaning any car will get you from A to B and some obviously cost less to do so (e.g. a Rolls Royce vs. a Civic), so it's a personal evaluation on if you like driving a Civic vs. a Rolls and are willing to pay for either experience. But my point started with comparing new vs. used for the same vehicle. At some point in the mathematical ownership model, depreciation factors out of the equation; it all depends on how long you own the car and how many miles you ultimately drive it.
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A manual transmission can be set to "comfort", "sport", and "track" modes simply by the technique and speed at which you shift it; it doesn't need "modes", modes are for manumatics that try to behave like a real 3-pedal manual transmission. If you can money-shift it, it's a manual transmission. "Yeah, but NO ONE puts an automatic trans shift knob on a manual transmission."
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08-25-2019, 06:42 AM | #26 |
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The value is less for the used car because it has a shorter lifespan...
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A manual transmission can be set to "comfort", "sport", and "track" modes simply by the technique and speed at which you shift it; it doesn't need "modes", modes are for manumatics that try to behave like a real 3-pedal manual transmission. If you can money-shift it, it's a manual transmission. "Yeah, but NO ONE puts an automatic trans shift knob on a manual transmission."
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08-25-2019, 06:48 AM | #27 |
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If it's dollars and cents, buy a used Toyota Corolla.
The Toyota Corolla is the most popular automobile model in the History of Mankind. There are reasons for that. They are cheap to buy new, very reliable, easy to repair, and hold their value. (Toyota reached the milestone of 40 million Corollas sold in July 2013.) My e91 may have been the least reliable car I ever purchased new and I still have it after nearly 12 years. There are other factors that go into the equation.
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