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      07-21-2018, 12:26 PM   #111
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What am I being obtuse about? This is the mirror quote from the article:

"Tesla is achieving those margins through deep levels of systems integration. By relying on in-house technology to do more work, Tesla is able to keep the costs of its third-party components low. For example, Munro estimates the cost of Tesla's rear-view mirror at $29.48. Meanwhile, his firm estimates that the rearview mirror from the Chevy Bolt costs $164.83.

The difference comes from the fact that the Bolt puts electronics and a backup camera display in the mirror, while Tesla uses its custom-designed onboard computer and large central display to perform the same functions. There's a similar story throughout the car."

So it is inferred that because the functionality of the backup view function is in the Bolt's mirror vs. in the laptop display in the Tesla there is a savings of $135.35 between the mirror in the Model 3 vs. the Bolt. However, the cars both have the same rear view functionality (it's Federally mandated BTW). So the article never discusses the cost of implementing the tech regardless of where the actual view is being displayed.
The large center screen is multi-purpose, so it also negates the need for separate readouts, interfaces, etc for a multitude of other functions. No speedometer, no RPM gauge, no separate NAV monitor, no separate Media center, climate control, etc etc...

The monitor in the mirror is just another component that costs money that is now regulated to the center screen along with everything else. Combined with the other aforementioned functions and their components, manufacture and parts costs can go down.


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Does the author of the article expand on how much it costs Tesla to manufacture (a supplier most likely) the central display?
No, but it is a shared singular component as opposed to multiple components spread across the cabin. So it's expenses are split with the other components that will share it's functionality. With a degree in manufacturing engineering, you should at least acknowledge this to even a tiny degree.


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I'm sure there is a shit-load of R&D engineering and expensive manufacturing cost built into the Tesla Model 3's capacitance-touch display since it needs to be extremely robust to survive years upon years of environmental torture from heat/cold cycling and vibration.
Possibly. But according to owner testimony, the fit an finish of the 3 isn't that great. A higher failure rate of these monitors might make replacement more economically attractive than a more expensive robust model.

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Also, I'd hate to see what that giant display does to the driver in a right-hand offset front accident.
As opposed to a HVAC, NAV or Media component? Or the traditional instrument cluster? Or the wheel? That's what airbags are for. If anything, the simplicity of the cabin might make protecting the passengers from the ONE component easier. Or I could be wrong and it's a literal guillotine.
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      07-21-2018, 12:30 PM   #112
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The F series doesn't really get my attention as much as the E series does. I am not surprised the decline in sales. Every time I see a E92 m sport side by side with a F32 m sport...I catch myself starring at the E92 more often!
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The large center screen is multi-purpose, so it also negates the need for separate readouts, interfaces, etc for a multitude of other functions. No speedometer, no RPM gauge, no separate NAV monitor, no separate Media center, climate control, etc etc...

The monitor in the mirror is just another component that costs money that is now regulated to the center screen along with everything else. Combined with the other aforementioned functions and their components, manufacture and parts costs can go down.




No, but it is a shared singular component as opposed to multiple components spread across the cabin. So it's expenses are split with the other components that will share it's functionality. With a degree in manufacturing engineering, you should at least acknowledge this to even a tiny degree.




Possibly. But according to owner testimony, the fit an finish of the 3 isn't that great. A higher failure rate of these monitors might make replacement more economically attractive than a more expensive robust model.



As opposed to a HVAC, NAV or Media component? Or the traditional instrument cluster? Or the wheel? That's what airbags are for. If anything, the simplicity of the cabin might make protecting the passengers from the ONE component easier. Or I could be wrong and it's a literal guillotine.
I know I'd feel far more safe in a cabin without a massive laptop stuck to the dashboard. I'm going with guillotine.

The point is, the mirror is not a good analogy of how the (rest of the) Tesla Model 3 is less expensive to manufacture than the Chevy Bolt. Accounting tactics being what they are, I'm sure there is a way to model the production costs of the Model 3 to make it look profitable to build, but when all costs are thrown in I don't see how it would be. Musk is quite innovative, landing re-useable rocket stages is extremely impressive, yet making cars is a very well defined and mature art. Finding room in the manufacturing process to make it far less expensive to manufacture than other vehicles is seriously difficult.
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      07-21-2018, 03:43 PM   #114
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The large center screen is multi-purpose, so it also negates the need for separate readouts, interfaces, etc for a multitude of other functions. No speedometer, no RPM gauge, no separate NAV monitor, no separate Media center, climate control, etc etc...

The monitor in the mirror is just another component that costs money that is now regulated to the center screen along with everything else. Combined with the other aforementioned functions and their components, manufacture and parts costs can go down.




No, but it is a shared singular component as opposed to multiple components spread across the cabin. So it's expenses are split with the other components that will share it's functionality. With a degree in manufacturing engineering, you should at least acknowledge this to even a tiny degree.




Possibly. But according to owner testimony, the fit an finish of the 3 isn't that great. A higher failure rate of these monitors might make replacement more economically attractive than a more expensive robust model.



As opposed to a HVAC, NAV or Media component? Or the traditional instrument cluster? Or the wheel? That's what airbags are for. If anything, the simplicity of the cabin might make protecting the passengers from the ONE component easier. Or I could be wrong and it's a literal guillotine.
I know I'd feel far more safe in a cabin without a massive laptop stuck to the dashboard. I'm going with guillotine.

The point is, the mirror is not a good analogy of how the (rest of the) Tesla Model 3 is less expensive to manufacture than the Chevy Bolt. Accounting tactics being what they are, I'm sure there is a way to model the production costs of the Model 3 to make it look profitable to build, but when all costs are thrown in I don't see how it would be. Musk is quite innovative, landing re-useable rocket stages is extremely impressive, yet making cars is a very well defined and mature art. Finding room in the manufacturing process to make it far less expensive to manufacture than other vehicles is seriously difficult.
Tents are also much cheaper than factories. Musk is innovative sometimes to a fault, admittedly. One thing you can't hold against him is for lack of trying. Tesla is still a relatively new car company. The fact that he is doing more than just reading water is remarkable.
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Tents are also much cheaper than factories. Musk is innovative sometimes to a fault, admittedly. One thing you can't hold against him is for lack of trying. Tesla is still a relatively new car company. The fact that he is doing more than just reading water is remarkable.
Agreed. I have a like Musk/hate Musk position with him. Having a manufacturing engineering background and spending the early part of my career in manufacturing, I want Tesla to do, and be, the best. I try to buy American-made products (regardless of manufacturer) as much as possible. Two of my BMWs hail from Spartansburg. My Hummer, from Louisiana. Even my Honda MC comes from Marysville, OH. I think Musk is initiative, yet magical somehow to keep all of his companies afloat. No other American auto manufacturer bleeding cash as Tesla does would have survived so long and with zero tolerance from Wall Street. Ford's stock was as low as $5 at one point after the Explorer fiasco, and Ford has a hell of a lot more manufacturing and design prowess than Tesla. I'd like to see Wall Street as tolerant of Ford and GM as they are of Tesla. Tesla gets to innovate like he does because he gets a pass from Wall Street. The CEO's of Ford or GM wipe their ass the wrong way and the stock drops off a cliff.
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The F series doesn't really get my attention as much as the E series does. I am not surprised the decline in sales. Every time I see a E92 m sport side by side with a F32 m sport...I catch myself starring at the E92 more often!
Are you biased because you have a e93?
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Tesla just announced that the Model 3 outsold 2, 3, 4, 5, X1 and X2 combined in June and it is true. That is an incredible achievement for an American brand to do that against a established brand like BMW. Actually the Model 3 performance is the only car I am seriously considering to trade my E90 M3, which was the last true BMW M car that BMW made before turning the M division into Profit division and placing M badges in terrible cars like the X1
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Tesla just announced that the Model 3 outsold 2, 3, 4, 5, X1 and X2 combined in June and it is true. That is an incredible achievement for an American brand to do that against a established brand like BMW. Actually the Model 3 performance is the only car I am seriously considering to trade my E90 M3, which was the last true BMW M car that BMW made before turning the M division into Profit division and placing M badges in terrible cars like the X1
I wouldn't touch a Tesla with a 50 foot pole, but that's me.

Have you seen up close the fit and finish of the Model 3? I have, and I would never pay their asking prices for a car that feels cheaply built and put on a hurry. That also extends to the Model S and X.

That and many other aspects of the vehicle and company that bother me enough to stay well clear of them.
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Tesla just announced that the Model 3 outsold 2, 3, 4, 5, X1 and X2 combined in June and it is true. That is an incredible achievement for an American brand to do that against a established brand like BMW. Actually the Model 3 performance is the only car I am seriously considering to trade my E90 M3, which was the last true BMW M car that BMW made before turning the M division into Profit division and placing M badges in terrible cars like the X1
Because no American brands are established?

How many of said Teslas were actually delivered & paid for vs just a refundable deposit with no car yet?
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but unsurprising i would think. what made the 3 series special in the past: heavenly steering? gone. manual transmission? gone (effectively, especially with upcoming generation). spartan yet functional interior? gone. tight proportions? gone. the 3 series is now a tech package surrounded by car
Like any other car in the market. Welcome to the 21st century and what people want: Rolling computers with 4 wheels.
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Because no American brands are established?

How many of said Teslas were actually delivered & paid for vs just a refundable deposit with no car yet?
Pretty sure the numbers are actual deliveries.

I really don't get the comments about build quality. I am on my 2nd Tesla since 2015 and 4th BMW since 2012 and I don't feel the Teslas are of any lower quality.
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Tents are also much cheaper than factories. Musk is innovative sometimes to a fault, admittedly. One thing you can't hold against him is for lack of trying. Tesla is still a relatively new car company. The fact that he is doing more than just reading water is remarkable.
With heavy government subsidizes and other people's money you can certainly do wonders.

Tesla sounds like a Ponzi scheme to me.
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Just had a model 3 in the shop. the center control display is very strange, i kept looking for a gauge cluster. the fit and finish wasn't horrible. definitely not the car for me, but like others have said, its a computer with 4 wheels for people who are glued to technology.
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Just had a model 3 in the shop. the center control display is very strange, i kept looking for a gauge cluster. the fit and finish wasn't horrible. definitely not the car for me, but like others have said, its a computer with 4 wheels for people who are glued to technology.
I personally don't like the over dependency for virtually every function on the car going through the dash mounted touch screen. Even to pop open the glovebox you have to select a menu item.

Simple basic functions as the wipers, guess what? Another menu item to deal with.

It also bothers me how the doors should only be open from the inside with an electric release switch. Only the 2 front doors have an emergency mechanical release handle but not the rears. How that passed under legislation and common sense is beyond me.
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Actually pretty impressive for a car that really has little purpose on a track. Complaining about a Model 3's 10/10th track performance is sort of like saying a Ferrari is a crap Uber.

The list of M cars that haven't had proper cooling, brakes or spectacular track performance is not short.
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Tesla just announced that the Model 3 outsold 2, 3, 4, 5, X1 and X2 combined in June and it is true. That is an incredible achievement for an American brand to do that against a established brand like BMW. Actually the Model 3 performance is the only car I am seriously considering to trade my E90 M3, which was the last true BMW M car that BMW made before turning the M division into Profit division and placing M badges in terrible cars like the X1
I wouldn't touch a Tesla with a 50 foot pole, but that's me.

Have you seen up close the fit and finish of the Model 3? I have, and I would never pay their asking prices for a car that feels cheaply built and put on a hurry. That also extends to the Model S and X.

That and many other aspects of the vehicle and company that bother me enough to stay well clear of them.
My wife drives a model X and fit and finish is way better than her former X5. We both love to drive it and beating M3s in traffic lights are priceless. Not sure you are being fair to Tesla, but this is a BMW forum after all so people are not expected to be fair. One added bonus is fact that she now owns her car for more than 10 months with 15,000 miles on the clock and not a single dime in maintenance or even a visit to the dealer to change oil nor weekly visits to gas stations. I wish BMW would wake up and produce anything that could go head2head with a model 3. The i3 is simply outmatched and cost about the same.
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Actually Viasil benefits are pretty impressive for a car that really has little purpose on a track. Complaining about a Model 3's 10/10th track performance is sort of like saying a Ferrari is a crap Uber.

The list of M cars that haven't had proper cooling, brakes or spectacular track performance is not short.
Lets just hope it doesn't catch on fire lol. Kidding aside, Model X is a great car, no matter what forum you're on. I don't wish ill on Tesla, as much as I love BMW. Like you said, I wish BMW did something about that.

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Long time BMW fan. Sold my e92 in April when I took delivery of my Model 3. Thought i'd provide some color on my experience.

Still have an X1 in the garage as our main ICE car. Loved my e92 but it was time for something new. Just wasn't a fan of the current 3/5 series and have always been curious about the Model 3. I was one of those who stood in line March 2016 to put a deposit down just in case it turned out to be a decent car.

The Model 3 is an amazing car. IMO, it is the best car you can buy in the price range as long as it fits your lifestyle. For me, I drive about 45 miles round trip for work everyday. I have a house where I had a NEMA 14-50 installed in my garage ($100). I leave my house every day with a full charge, I set mine to 80% so about 255 miles of charge. I usually get home with about 200-215 miles of charge left. It takes about a 1.5 hours to top off the battery at night. Recently took it on a short roadtrip, supercharging was quick and easy, my hotel surprisingly had a destination charger which allowed me to charge for free. The car drives well, sticks to the road, plenty of torque, great A/C (texas), great sound system and streaming sources. It's nice not having to stop at a gas station. My car has 2780 miles on it and charged 636 kwh to get those miles. If I had only charged at home at my electricity rate, i would've spent about $60.42 on those miles. My e92 would've cost me $437.85 in gas to go the same distance.

We are looking at the iX3 or Model Y in a couple years to replace the X1.
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Lets just hope it doesn't catch on fire lol. Kidding aside, Model X is a great car, no matter what forum you're on. I don't wish ill on Tesla, as much as I love BMW. Like you said, I wish BMW did something about that.
I think the model X is the worst. I love the S tho.
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