[chbrules]

Originally Posted by BNR32

I never gave you permission to post my car here :mad:

If that was your car I'd ask if I could fly over just to touch it and go "Ooohhh!"

[THE JEDI]

Originally Posted by GregL

Did you just say what a joke? I wouldn't be so dismissive, being blindly biased is never appreciated.

Pick the side of the fence you want...I'm in the camp of Bimmer..Benz will never match BMW's entry level cars..ever..nice try new "C" Class is pretty nice...But I'll take the Roundel.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by rrandyy

So what you're telling me is that BEFORE the 335, when there were comparable 300hp cars out there, people didnt buy BMWs such as the 330?

I dont think so. I think its a combination of luxury, brand-name and performance. I think the HP is only a small part of the performance equation.

No, because if I was telling you that, then I would have spelled it out like that very succinctly.

First of all, performance is not just horsepower, it includes handling, breaking, road manners, etc. To that extent the 330i is very similar to the 335i, since those things have not changed with the motor upgrade.

Also, I'll remind you that your statement was "I think only a handful of people care about HP.". I think most everyone cares about it, its just that they do so to varying degrees. Like you said above, its a combination, or luxury, brand name and performance.

[PMP]

Originally Posted by mesier1111

Speak for yourself dude, the way I rationalize my car is DIRECTLY RELEVANT to the way I use mine. Maybe some people drive their 335is like pussies, but I don't. She get driven safely in traffic, but she sees 6500 on the tach at least a few times a day. I am currently starting up my own business with some partners over seas, so I unfortunately I can't commit to any track events, because my schedule changes from week to week. But in about 8 months when things have settled, I will at the track as often as possible. Till then I will drive her like I stole her

I bought my car for performance. Their are cars like the evo and STi that are just as fast, if not faster than 335i coupe, but its close. Where its not close is handling and feel. My buddies evo beats you up and feels like a ricer, boyish racer. Nothing wrong with that, and if it wasn't my every day car I would be fine with that. But even my buddy is looking to get out of his evo for the reasons I just mentioned.

So, you bought your AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION car to use at the track? Why not buy a sports car if you were going to race it? Not trying to flame you, but it seems to me that you bought the wrong car if that was your intention. Why not a Corvette - a car that will leave your 335i in the dust on any track? The non-M BMW is NOT a sports car.

Sorry, but I'm still convinced that the majority of BMW buyers (including myself) bought the car because it is the sportiest luxury car that we could afford. The 3 series cars are a great compromise - nice to drive but they have a nice sporting edge to them, as well. I tried the 5 and the only one that had the right balace was almost $70k. Too much money for a car in my opinion.

Originally Posted by mesier1111

I LOVE the roundel

Originally Posted by mesier1111

Too me, a MB just feels like an expensive boat.

Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren 722 641 hp; top speed: 209.4 mph. Goes from 0 to 62 in 3.6 seconds?

[Bram335]

Originally Posted by rpiopio

Looks like a Sebring

It's a chrysler in a lingerie

[combatcarry]

I could live with the styling (although I prefer the E90). But, no manual transmisson available in the 350!

If BMW looses the manual transmission they will loose me as a future customer.

[iatacs19]

I watched the review of the new C-Class on the British programme 5Th Gear and it looks like a winner. There is a lot of attention to detail towards luxury. I am not so sure about the sporting aspect, but it does have excellent refined performance. It will do very well for certain, Lexus will need to refresh their ISx50 soon.

[GregL]

Originally Posted by THE JEDI

Pick the side of the fence you want...I'm in the camp of Bimmer..Benz will never match BMW's entry level cars..ever..nice try new "C" Class is pretty nice...But I'll take the Roundel.

I own two Merc's and a Bimmer, I have no "fence"

[PMP]

Originally Posted by GregL

I own two Merc's and a Bimmer, I have no "fence"

I had a C32 and now have a 330i. Sort of in the same boat as you, GregL. I think they both make great cars. I like the "rawness" of the BMW - just seems more fun to drive even though it is slower than my Benz was. Might be the manual, not sure. Just seems a bit stiffer and it turns more authoritatively. I think the new C will be a really popular car -- will outsell the old one. For a lot of drivers it will win out over the BMW. For enthusiast drivers I think the BMW will continue to be first choice.

[ScottyGams]

it is so funny, as i am a member of both MBWORLD.org and E90POST, to get both perspectives...

the mbworld guys are fair, they give ou guys the edge on handling, but take luxury feel for themself.

I do think the C looks a lot better than 3 sedan, but i like the 3 coupe over both of them

[ScottyGams]

http://www.mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=190296

for those interestedin the MB perspective

[GregL]

Originally Posted by ScottyGams

it is so funny, as i am a member of both MBWORLD.org and E90POST, to get both perspectives...

the mbworld guys are fair, they give ou guys the edge on handling, but take luxury feel for themself.

I do think the C looks a lot better than 3 sedan, but i like the 3 coupe over both of them

Originally Posted by ScottyGams

http://www.mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=190296

for those interestedin the MB perspective

I'd have to agree with you that for a Mercedes board, the comments are very balanced for the most part. I like how tee_tz was very objective as he has both a W203 and an E90, and then you get Zerix who makes Mercedes drivers look like total idiots...they drive all makes and models I guess.

[THE JEDI]

Originally Posted by Bram335

It's a chrysler in a lingerie

Damn..maybe Chrysler had the original design and benz stole it..wow this is scary

[Cadillac Johnson]

Personally I've never liked the C class, I always thought it was the "I just wanna drive a Benz, Benz"

BMW's have always been about balancing performance, luxury and technology into a sexy package. IMO BMW's are for people who truly enjoy driving, and MB's are for people who want their drive to be as easy and comfortable as possible. AMG is there to help, but they can only do so much.

I'm willing to bet there's plenty of AMG owners out there who never experience the full power their car is capable of unleashing. I cant say the same for M5, M6 owners. I'm sure they're out there, but far fewer.

It's always been about preference when it comes to MB and BMW, and most people are pretty loyal to one or the other. MB makes some terrific cars, and if I had a fleet of luxury and exotic cars I would own one or two of them. If I can only choose one I'd take a BMW.

[milehigh5000]

the new CL550 is more my style ohhh man

[ScottyGams]

^ you can tell he is serious by the 3 "h"s

[noidea]

Just went to pay a visit to MBWORLD.org and saw the same thread 3 vs C. All bunch of people telling how good is the C and 3 is rubbish. For me i think 3 is more fun to drive and more fun to Mod. C is for those over 40yrs old having no interest on car/modding car. By modding the 3 really make my day happier.

MayB one day we should really set up a war with the C owner.

[duk]

New C class is nice! But not 335i nice!

[darkcloud]

Originally Posted by rpiopio

Looks like a Sebring

If you think about it they were probably designed during the same time frames and before Chyrsler was sold. Benz was trying to salvage the Chrysler name so using some styling cross-over points makes sense.

The 300M turned out to be a fairly successful car. Benz also did do a great job in dragging the Jeep name through the mud. I had a 90 Wrangler and they seem to watered down and soft now.

As for the C-class, I simply felt too cramped in the car. It was also a little too stuffy for my taste.

[Jonmartin]

Originally Posted by PMP

I had a C32 and now have a 330i. Sort of in the same boat as you, GregL. I think they both make great cars. I like the "rawness" of the BMW - just seems more fun to drive even though it is slower than my Benz was. Might be the manual, not sure. Just seems a bit stiffer and it turns more authoritatively. I think the new C will be a really popular car -- will outsell the old one. For a lot of drivers it will win out over the BMW. For enthusiast drivers I think the BMW will continue to be first choice.

Get a 335 I murdered one bad 3 times in a row the other day he was shocked when he got off lol.I was to cause his car was faster then I thought it would be I'll give him that much.

[milehigh5000]

yooooo i have a question..did bmw have the spinny dial thing for the i-drive before mercedes had this...

[bimmer newbie]

The back end looks like one of those previous generation Toyota Camrys. So ugly.