Mobil 1 0w-40 euro no longer LL-01 approved since 11/2015

bavarianride · 02-27-2016, 04:59 PM

So it looks like if the bottle label has LL-01 approval then the oil (the previous Group III one)will be OK on cars that require LL-01.

An interesting topic is if LL-04 can be used instead of LL-01(e.g. Walmart Castrol Edge is LL-04 approved). In CA the gasoline sulfur level is already similar to Euro's standard, so even though CA gasoline is E10 as long as OCI is 6k-8k(or maybe even 10k) the low SAPS LL-04 should work just fine in CA(and the Fed will mandate 10ppm sulfur starting Jan 2017 in all states). In fact a few German indies around here use Liqui Moly LL-04, and their customers(like myself) don't see any issue with LL-04 with 10k OCI.

b1mmr · 03-08-2016, 06:07 PM

So it was 71 out and I did an oil change.
Put in some 0 40 to use up my other bottle.. Went to my mom's and when I left I blew some smoke on a jeep at a stop sign lmao. Honestly though I think 0 40 is too thin. Not saying it's not a worn seal but it happens more when outside Temps are up and I drive somewhere then leave an hour or so later.

Ginobass · 03-09-2016, 12:58 PM

When I learned the other day that M1 Euro was no longer LL01 I went to my local Wally World and found 5 jugs of the new and 6 jugs of the old. Grabbed all 6!!

b1mmr · 03-09-2016, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Ginobass

When I learned the other day that M1 Euro was no longer LL01 I went to my local Wally World and found 5 jugs of the new and 6 jugs of the old. Grabbed all 6!!

Mine was ll01 as I recall.. Can report back if it isn't. What I'm curious is, did the formula change or did they decide it wasn't good enough? THAT'S what matters here.

ducatiti · 03-09-2016, 04:01 PM

Sorry if I missed it but will they discontinue this and when?

I've been always a Mobil 1 fan and plan to use this on my new to me 325i.

But I may go with Castrol is this is the case.

Cory S · 03-09-2016, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ian_N54

So it was 71 out and I did an oil change.
Put in some 0 40 to use up my other bottle.. Went to my mom's and when I left I blew some smoke on a jeep at a stop sign lmao. Honestly though I think 0 40 is too thin. Not saying it's not a worn seal but it happens more when outside Temps are up and I drive somewhere then leave an hour or so later.

0W-40 is no thinner than 5,or 10W-40 at operating temperatures.... 0W is only the start-up flow in temperatures below 32*F, and when the oil hasn't reach full operating temperatures. (200-245*F).

fazman · 03-09-2016, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ducatiti

Sorry if I missed it but will they discontinue this and when?

I've been always a Mobil 1 fan and plan to use this on my new to me 325i.

But I may go with Castrol is this is the case.

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b1mmr · 03-09-2016, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cory S

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Originally Posted by Ian_N54

So it was 71 out and I did an oil change.
Put in some 0 40 to use up my other bottle.. Went to my mom's and when I left I blew some smoke on a jeep at a stop sign lmao. Honestly though I think 0 40 is too thin. Not saying it's not a worn seal but it happens more when outside Temps are up and I drive somewhere then leave an hour or so later.

0W-40 is no thinner than 5,or 10W-40 at operating temperatures.... 0W is only the start-up flow in temperatures below 32*F, and when the oil hasn't reach full operating temperatures. (200-245*F).

I live in cold climates (ohio) but 32 is pretty low and wouldn't matter in anything that's not winter so touche to that

TrAcK TRaP · 03-10-2016, 07:40 PM

Just changed my oil with new non LL01 approved M1 0W40 (4K miles between oil changes) Car felt smoother probably because of new oil. Lets see whats gonna happen

Tom Droze · 03-11-2016, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by N54CherryHill

Just changed my oil with new non LL01 approved M1 0W40 (4K miles between oil changes) Car felt smoother probably because of new oil. Lets see whats gonna happen

Same here, I did my oil change today with the same oil and my car seems to run smoother. With a 6,000 mile oil change interval in a NA BMW, I'm not worried.

Sertone777 · 03-11-2016, 10:55 PM

Castrol website specifically recommend 0w 30 a3/b4 oil for the n54.
Why argue or debate about what these engineers do and recommend?

tc535i · 03-11-2016, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Sertone777

Castrol website specifically recommend 0w 30 a3/b4 oil for the n54.
Why argue or debate about what these engineers do and recommend?

Because engineers weren't pushing 20 psi?

Grabbed some ll-01 castrol 0-40 at walmart. Mobil 1 on the next shelf was the new non-bmw formulation

Cory S · 03-11-2016, 11:52 PM

My oil temps are 7-10* cooler with the Castrol 0W-40 I just changed to. Engine seems a tad quieter and smoother.

Meeni · 03-13-2016, 11:33 AM

My local WM is now stocking the non-LL01 M1 0w40. The alternative Pennzoil is 2x more expensive, and actually at this point dealer oil is a whole lot cheaper.

Cory S · 03-13-2016, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Meeni

My local WM is now stocking the non-LL01 M1 0w40. The alternative Pennzoil is 2x more expensive, and actually at this point dealer oil is a whole lot cheaper.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00JGQLZSU/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1457886999&sr=8-1&pi=SY200_QL40&keywords=castrol+edge+LL-01&dpPl=1&dpID=51c%2BUHB-jCL&ref=plSrch

This goes on sale for $25.xx a jug about once a week on Anazon, but you can also find them at certain Walmarts for the same sale price.

Meeni · 03-13-2016, 12:06 PM

Castrol it is then

Thanks this is available locally and at $5/qt.

DickBlisken · 03-13-2016, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Droze

Same here, I did my oil change today with the same oil and my car seems to run smoother. With a 6,000 mile oil change interval in a NA BMW, I'm not worried.

Good to hear. I bought two 5qt jugs of the new formulation yesterday, changing it this afternoon.

esberelias · 03-14-2016, 02:05 AM

Maybe without the "BMW Approved" Stamping, it will be sold cheaper to us

fazman · 03-14-2016, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Nico87

Good to hear. I bought two 5qt jugs of the new formulation yesterday, changing it this afternoon.

Considering that a lot of folks use Rotella T6 diesel 5w-40 motor oil in a variety of cars (including n54's and other e9x's)... I think you should be safe in using the non LL-01. However, I have not attempted this myself personally... it's only what I have "heard".

DickBlisken · 03-14-2016, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by fazman

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Originally Posted by Nico87

Good to hear. I bought two 5qt jugs of the new formulation yesterday, changing it this afternoon.

Considering that a lot of folks use Rotella T6 diesel 5w-40 motor oil in a variety of cars (including n54's and other e9x's)... I think you should be safe in using the non LL-01. However, I have not attempted this myself personally... it's only what I have "heard".

It's running very smooth so far.

bavarianride · 03-23-2016, 04:52 PM

The Castro Edge 5w40/0w30/0w40 at walmart is only LL-01 recommended not approved. Is there any Castro oil that has BMW LL-01 approval? Local NAPA stocks LiquiMolly LL-04 approved oil but those go for $8-9 per quart/liter.

VTECaddict · 03-23-2016, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by bavarianride

The Castro Edge 5w40/0w30/0w40 at walmart is only LL-01 recommended not approved. Is there any Castro oil that has BMW LL-01 approval? Local NAPA stocks LiquiMolly LL-04 approved oil but those go for $8-9 per quart/liter.

I get the Castrol Edge 0w40 from walmart and its LL-01 approved.

What do you mean recommended and not approved? If it says LL-01 on the bottle then it's approved.

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bavarianride Major General 1505 Rep 5,088 Posts Drives: bimmer Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: northern california iTrader: (0)	So it looks like if the bottle label has LL-01 approval then the oil (the previous Group III one)will be OK on cars that require LL-01. An interesting topic is if LL-04 can be used instead of LL-01(e.g. Walmart Castrol Edge is LL-04 approved). In CA the gasoline sulfur level is already similar to Euro's standard, so even though CA gasoline is E10 as long as OCI is 6k-8k(or maybe even 10k) the low SAPS LL-04 should work just fine in CA(and the Fed will mandate 10ppm sulfur starting Jan 2017 in all states). In fact a few German indies around here use Liqui Moly LL-04, and their customers(like myself) don't see any issue with LL-04 with 10k OCI.
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Ginobass Private 3 Rep 52 Posts Drives: 2010 328i Coupe Join Date: May 2014 Location: WNY iTrader: (0)	When I learned the other day that M1 Euro was no longer LL01 I went to my local Wally World and found 5 jugs of the new and 6 jugs of the old. Grabbed all 6!!
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ducatiti Captain 235 Rep 712 Posts Drives: X7 Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Bay Area iTrader: (0)	Sorry if I missed it but will they discontinue this and when? I've been always a Mobil 1 fan and plan to use this on my new to me 325i. But I may go with Castrol is this is the case.
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Sertone777 Private 12 Rep 57 Posts Drives: 2007 335i coupe / silver Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Boston Ma iTrader: (0)	Castrol website specifically recommend 0w 30 a3/b4 oil for the n54. Why argue or debate about what these engineers do and recommend?
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Meeni Gateropode 329 Rep 2,848 Posts Drives: BMW 330i 06 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: TN iTrader: (0)	My local WM is now stocking the non-LL01 M1 0w40. The alternative Pennzoil is 2x more expensive, and actually at this point dealer oil is a whole lot cheaper.
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Meeni Gateropode 329 Rep 2,848 Posts Drives: BMW 330i 06 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: TN iTrader: (0)	Castrol it is then Thanks this is available locally and at $5/qt.
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bavarianride Major General 1505 Rep 5,088 Posts Drives: bimmer Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: northern california iTrader: (0)	The Castro Edge 5w40/0w30/0w40 at walmart is only LL-01 recommended not approved. Is there any Castro oil that has BMW LL-01 approval? Local NAPA stocks LiquiMolly LL-04 approved oil but those go for $8-9 per quart/liter.
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