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      05-12-2022, 09:03 AM   #2157
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Just my opinion but the red car looks like a sports car and the blue car looks just weird and cartoonish from the front like it's mimicking Domo-kun (maybe that's by design?).
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Just my opinion but the red car looks like a sports car and the blue car looks just weird and cartoonish from the front like it's mimicking Domo-kun (maybe that's by design?).
Exactly. They could have done so much better with the front.
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      05-12-2022, 09:30 AM   #2159
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Just my opinion but the red car looks like a sports car and the blue car looks just weird and cartoonish from the front like it's mimicking Domo-kun (maybe that's by design?).
Exactly. They could have done so much better with the front.
Maybe they should have asked BMW guys to help with the front? Lol🤣🤣
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Toyota even referred to is as Portimao Blue on their website
Well that's interesting. Toyota Canada shows Portimao, Toyota USA shows Stratosphere. Canada even names Sparkling Copper Grey. Guess that confirms the BMW colors for the 2023.
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      05-17-2022, 04:01 PM   #2161
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Has the B48 been axed in Canada?

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/did...pra-2-0.13467/

https://www.toyota.ca/toyota/en/vehicles/supra/overview
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      05-17-2022, 04:27 PM   #2162
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Who was even buying the Supra 2.0 in the first place? Now it is completely dead.
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      05-19-2022, 02:30 AM   #2163
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This dealer in particular was referred to me by a friend who's done business with them in the past. Their policy is to sell at MSRP.

I signed their regular deposit agreement with one of the check boxes as "VEHICLE SALE PRICE WILL BE MSRP AT THE TIME OF DELIVERY." No build sheet yet, but it's for a 2023 Supra with a manual transmission. I'm #2 in line at this dealer. #1 was in line before the official announcement.

Every dealer is different, I guess.
Which one? Toyota of Suprise called me and asked for 20k over. I laughed.
86k for a A91, 20k over on a 66k car. I'd like to get one for my brother in law, so if you can, I'd appreciate your assistance.
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Which one? Toyota of Suprise called me and asked for 20k over. I laughed.
86k for a A91, 20k over on a 66k car. I'd like to get one for my brother in law, so if you can, I'd appreciate your assistance.
Not local here, it's a dealer in Tacoma, WA.
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supra name used to be the halo name, and is compared with NSX and GTR, not the Z... man, toyota really lower the supra name value

in the 90s, the tier is the following

tier 1 - supra, NSX, GTR, RX7
tier 1.5 - fairlady Z (300 zx), 3000GT (probably 3000GT is tier 1?), S2000 (late player in early 2000s when 300zx was out)
tier 2 - celica, prelude, integra type R, silvia (240 sx), MR2, mitsubishi eclipse
tier 3 - civic, corolla, etc (not really know this tier)
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      05-20-2022, 11:04 AM   #2166
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supra name used to be the halo name, and is compared with NSX and GTR, not the Z... man, toyota really lower the supra name value

in the 90s, the tier is the following

tier 1 - supra, NSX, GTR, RX7
tier 1.5 - fairlady Z (300 zx), 3000GT (probably 3000GT is tier 1?), S2000 (late player in early 2000s when 300zx was out)
tier 2 - celica, prelude, integra type R, silvia (240 sx), MR2, mitsubishi eclipse
tier 3 - civic, corolla, etc (not really know this tier)
I think more so, the NSX and GTR went up a tier as they are now no cheaper than "halo" GT3/4 Porsches.
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supra name used to be the halo name, and is compared with NSX and GTR, not the Z... man, toyota really lower the supra name value

in the 90s, the tier is the following

tier 1 - supra, NSX, GTR, RX7
tier 1.5 - fairlady Z (300 zx), 3000GT (probably 3000GT is tier 1?), S2000 (late player in early 2000s when 300zx was out)
tier 2 - celica, prelude, integra type R, silvia (240 sx), MR2, mitsubishi eclipse
tier 3 - civic, corolla, etc (not really know this tier)
The NSX was way more expensive than the rest (about 50%) so definately a tier above.
The GTR was of course always a RHD so not really a contemporary contender unless you live in Japan, the UK or Australia.
So:
Tier 1: NSX
Tier 2: Supra turbo/RX7 TT/300zx TT/GT3000/Skyline r34 (if applicable)

The z3m roadster was priced slightly under the tier 2 cars, but it came out about the time a lot of those cars got retired.
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if you are categorizing car tier based on price, then yes, NSX is tier 1 while the rest is tier 2, etc. I am categorizing car based on performance, and NSX is the same tier as Supra, RX7, and GTR R34.

3000GT never really challenge these cars in term of performance, but somewhat i remember in late 90s, it's always mentioned due to being the #1 mitsubishi car, then it got compared with #1 of honda, nissan, mazda, and toyota.
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I am categorizing car based on performance,
Performance as in?

Engine power?
Actual track times set on a specific track by a test driver or a magazine? (nordschleife for example)
Actual race merits?
Do you take the weight of the cars into account?
The RX7 and NSX are both light. The rest is pretty heavy. (not considering the s2000 and lower tier cars here)
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Performance as in?
Street cred and hype
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I had a 91 300zx Turbo. Stillen intake, Greddy exhaust, HKs boost controller Jim Wolfe chip. That thing was fast. It got stolen and torched in Camden. Lol. Loved that car. Use to whoop a lot of ass at the Philly Street races.
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supra name used to be the halo name, and is compared with NSX and GTR, not the Z... man, toyota really lower the supra name value

in the 90s, the tier is the following

tier 1 - supra, NSX, GTR, RX7
tier 1.5 - fairlady Z (300 zx), 3000GT (probably 3000GT is tier 1?), S2000 (late player in early 2000s when 300zx was out)
tier 2 - celica, prelude, integra type R, silvia (240 sx), MR2, mitsubishi eclipse
tier 3 - civic, corolla, etc (not really know this tier)
Let’s not forget, being a former MK3 owner how the ignorant thought it was… a probe
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I like the new Supra, though I wish it was a 2+2 like the previous 2 gens.
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I like the new Supra, though I wish it was a 2+2 like the previous 2 gens.
Wouldn't be surprised if BMW had a hand in that since it would essentially be a different styled M240i.
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Wouldn't be surprised if BMW had a hand in that since it would essentially be a different styled M240i.
BMW *did* have a hand in that... because Z4s don't have rear seats.
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Supra makes the new Z look boring...
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Welp the day is here
Parted ways with my F80 not too long ago and I'm back in another BMW .....er of sorts
Found a MY22 GR Supra for MSRP in Oregon and will be taking delivery today. Going to visit the last Blockbuster in Bend and taking the Pacific Coast Highway back to the Bay Area
Let me say this.....it looks much better in person than the pictures
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