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      02-21-2020, 10:36 AM   #1
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2009 328i. Tpms inop. I have 4 codes. 604f,6050,6051,6052 and 6053. All my sensors send a signal and my air pressure is right. I have a snap on scanner. I thought is was the rdc. I replaced it with a used one. I did not get it reprogram. Does it have to be reprogrammed because the light is still on. Or what else should I look for?
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      02-22-2020, 02:59 AM   #2
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2009 328i. Tpms inop. I have 4 codes. 604f,6050,6051,6052 and 6053. All my sensors send a signal and my air pressure is right. I have a snap on scanner. I thought is was the rdc. I replaced it with a used one. I did not get it reprogram. Does it have to be reprogrammed because the light is still on. Or what else should I look for?
If your Scan Tool does NOT provide Fault Code Definitions, you can use this link to see the definition of each of those codes as provided by BMW Fault Code Lookup:
http://www.bmwfault.codes/

Your TPMS System has Six (6) components other than the Wheel Pressure Sensors (which you indicate have tested OK). You have FIVE (5) Fault Codes, one for each of the Four (4) Transmitters (one located in each wheel well), and the 5th code is for the RDC Antenna located beneath the vehicle somewhere beneath the Driver Seat. In short, you have a fault code for all the 5 components you did NOT replace, but NO fault code for the RDC Module itself. Here is the TIS circuit diagram for the system used through the 2009 Model:
https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/e...r-rdc/H2DAPopj

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1) Do you have a Scan Tool or Software (such as INPA or ISTA) that can Read Parameters to test the System?

2) Have you tried to connect to the RDC Module or used something such as INPA Functional Jobs to see if the Module is recognized as being powered and able to communicate with the Scan Tool or Software (the ORIGINAL RDC Module that is).

(3) Have you checked for (a) Power Supply at Pin #15, Red/Violet wire, of Connector X18034, and also for (b) Continuity to Ground at Pin #16, Brown wire, of that Connector X18034 at the RDC Module?

Unless there was some catastrophic event that damaged Components, Connectors, or wiring in all four wheelwells, and the antenna as well, I would try to identify a single electrical failure that could cause a separate fault code for EACH of those 5 components, beginning by testing for Power Supply & Ground to the RDC Module to which each of the other 5 components is connected. Note that EACH of the 5 components attached to the RDC Module (4 Transmitters and the Antenna/Aerial) have a (-) Ground, (+) power supply, and BUS communication wire. If the system operated properly until recently, I would want to know WHAT event occurred to cause the failure, and to inspect each of the 5 components, their Connectors, and associated wiring, for any signs of damage.

AFAIK, a replacement RDC Module SHOULD be "plug & play" without any coding or initialization. From the photo you provided, it appears that the BMW Part# shown in the photo is 36236785279, which should be the proper replacement if the issue had been a defective RDC (which is NOT supported by the codes you provided):
https://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/partxref?q=6785279

If it's all just too much trying to sort the issue, you always have the option of making the TPMS "Inactive" and Activating the FTM which simply uses calculations of wheel speed variations to detect Flat Tires.

Please let us know what you find,
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If it's all just too much trying to sort the issue, you always have the option of making the TPMS "Inactive" and Activating the FTM which simply uses calculations of wheel speed variations to detect Flat Tires.
How does one do that?
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There was no corrosion on the plug or the module. I will check for power and ground. My snap on scanner shows that the sensors are sending out a signal because the scanner can read the tire pressures. But something has my dash telling tpms is inop. That’s why I replace the module but it was just a guess and I still get the same error. How can I run it just off the abs?
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Replaced the module and antenna and I still get the same codes. Can I get my car coded for ftm to get the tpms lights off?
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How does one do that?
1) Unplug the RDC module
2) With NCSExpert, remove $2VB from VO, add $265.
3) After writing the VO to CAS/NFRM, default code CAS, KOMBI, DSC, CIC
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What can I buy to code myself that's easy to use?
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1) Unplug the RDC module
2) With NCSExpert, remove $2VB from VO, add $265.
3) After writing the VO to CAS/NFRM, default code CAS, KOMBI, DSC, CIC
Are there any Android apps capable of this kind of coding? I tried out ProTool by Bimmergeeks and it is a little vague about what it can and can't do until you pay for the license. I don't mind shelling out the $150 for the 2 licenses, I just need to know I'll be able to do what I want to once I do (I already bought the xDelete license).

Thanks!

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I'm in the same boat. I don't mind spending the money if it can do what I need it to do and easily
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Are there any Android apps capable of this kind of coding? I tried out ProTool by Bimmergeeks and it is a little vague about what it can and can't do until you pay for the license. I don't mind shelling out the $150 for the 2 licenses, I just need to know I'll be able to do what I want to once I do (I already bought the xDelete license).

Thanks!
Sorry, I don't use any apps other than MHD flasher and don't know if ones that can do the necessary coding are available. I would have guessed that ProTool could do this but cannot say from personal experience. But honestly, BMW Standard tools are free and they are not difficult to learn to use. There many threads explaining their use
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Sorry, I don't use any apps other than MHD flasher and don't know if ones that can do the necessary coding are available. I would have guessed that ProTool could do this but cannot say from personal experience. But honestly, BMW Standard tools are free and they are not difficult to learn to use. There many threads explaining their use
Thanks, I was able to figure out NCS Expert and was able to code my key fob to roll the windows up successfully, so I'm moving in the right direction. I went to change the VO to $265 and remembered what you said about disconnecting the RDC. So I looked it up on line and got a bunch different answers as to where it's located, but I did see 2 specific videos that were on 2011 328s, one i and one xi, and both were located behind the passenger side rear wheel inside the wheel well cover where they'd get covered in grime and continuously soaked anytime it rained or the car goes through a puddle. I just wanted to confirm that this really is the right location since I have a 2011 328xi.
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Thanks, I was able to figure out NCS Expert and was able to code my key fob to roll the windows up successfully, so I'm moving in the right direction. I went to change the VO to $265 and remembered what you said about disconnecting the RDC. So I looked it up on line and got a bunch different answers as to where it's located, but I did see 2 specific videos that were on 2011 328s, one i and one xi, and both were located behind the passenger side rear wheel inside the wheel well cover where they'd get covered in grime and continuously soaked anytime it rained or the car goes through a puddle. I just wanted to confirm that this really is the right location since I have a 2011 328xi.
Mine was not located in an exterior compartment. Access was from inside the trunk. You have to remove some trim panels on the passenger side.

https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/e...i-lim/F5ubM8wQ

But according to TIS, post 09/2009 models have it under the car

https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/e...lim/1VnXco7Yww
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I followed this guide to code to FTM and it worked fine.

https://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1495676

my RDC module also had completely inexplicable corrosion on it's power pins.
I like the FTM as now I can just swap wheels/tires on a whim and not have TPMS units and all that jazz to install/service.
it does work. needs about 5psi of pressure difference to know one is low.
Is not a substitute for checking tire pressures, as it just compares rolling diameter between tires to determine if one is low.
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