The right combo

justinluv949 · 11-10-2009, 08:49 PM

Hello, This is my first post, I will be getting a 335I shortly.
I actually work at a BMW dealer in Newport Beach, so I get a really killer deal.
The car 2010 335I coupe with 6MT, im really into modding my vehicles, and I want to know if you guys think this is a good setup, and what kind of RWHP and RWTQ I can squeeze out and not blow my motor or do damage it,

The parts:

Juice Box 3
ar design 3'' Hi-Flo Catless Downpipes
BMS Dual Cone Intake N54
maybe run the Milltek Sport cat back exhaust (not sure yet)

If i do the catless downpipes will I need the BMS Downpipe CEL Fix or does the juice box take care of it?

Thank you all for your time a patience.

TheAcAvenger · 11-10-2009, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justinluv949

Hello, This is my first post, I will be getting a 335I shortly.
I actually work at a BMW dealer in Newport Beach, so I get a really killer deal.
The car 2010 335I coupe with 6MT, im really into modding my vehicles, and I want to know if you guys think this is a good setup, and what kind of RWHP and RWTQ I can squeeze out and not blow my motor or do damage it,

The parts:

Juice Box 3
ar design 3'' Hi-Flo Catless Downpipes
BMS Dual Cone Intake N54
maybe run the Milltek Sport cat back exhaust (not sure yet)

If i do the catless downpipes will I need the BMS Downpipe CEL Fix or does the juice box take care of it?

Thank you all for your time a patience.

Sounds good. You'll need the bms downpipe fix. You're also going to want to goa head and get the exhaust. Some people advocate the use of a dual cone intake (they're dirt cheap), and i'm one of them. You should hope for ~360-370ish whp 370-380wtq.

LostMarine · 11-10-2009, 09:04 PM

looks good, but you will need an FMIC too..

Slidewayz · 11-10-2009, 09:07 PM

Are you a mechanic? You need to take a decision on whether to ride the knock sensor (JB3) or pull timing (PROceed). Arguments exist on both sides.

Quote:

Originally Posted by justinluv949

Hello, This is my first post, I will be getting a 335I shortly.
I actually work at a BMW dealer in Newport Beach, so I get a really killer deal.
The car 2010 335I coupe with 6MT, im really into modding my vehicles, and I want to know if you guys think this is a good setup, and what kind of RWHP and RWTQ I can squeeze out and not blow my motor or do damage it,

The parts:

Juice Box 3
ar design 3'' Hi-Flo Catless Downpipes
BMS Dual Cone Intake N54
maybe run the Milltek Sport cat back exhaust (not sure yet)

If i do the catless downpipes will I need the BMS Downpipe CEL Fix or does the juice box take care of it?

Thank you all for your time a patience.

justinluv949 · 11-10-2009, 09:11 PM

What would be the diffference between the twin air filter and the single?

What I don't understand is the juice box you install it, and from what i'm reading it has different settings. How long does it take to access different settings and is there there like a screen to know what program your in, and can you do it wile your driving. And does the JB3 come with all the tunes or is that like some extra charge.
thank you.

justinluv949 · 11-10-2009, 09:23 PM

Im not a mechanic, but I would say that knock= detonation, and thats not good at all. so for me that would be running the car hard, I would pull timing,
I think The Ideal set up would be to have a meth injection kit on the car and when I wanted to do a hi boost run I would switch the tune program and hit the meth injection.
But does the tuner work like that.
Can that burger motor sports build a tune around my personal car because every car is different just a little bit?

JayKay335i · 11-10-2009, 10:58 PM

I'd suggest throwing in an intake and intercooler if you want to make the most out of your mods.

You can run meth maps with both piggy back tunes with automatic switching and I believe they both are coming out with or have boost dependent meth controllers. You can scratch plenty over 400 to the wheels with a full stage 3 + meth, consistently.

Willizm · 11-10-2009, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justinluv949

Im not a mechanic, but I would say that knock= detonation, and thats not good at all. so for me that would be running the car hard, I would pull timing,
I think The Ideal set up would be to have a meth injection kit on the car and when I wanted to do a hi boost run I would switch the tune program and hit the meth injection.
But does the tuner work like that.
Can that burger motor sports build a tune around my personal car because every car is different just a little bit?

Problem is that if you switch the maps from stock to say map 5 then doesn't it take time for the ecu to relearn?

wonsungnabi · 11-10-2009, 11:35 PM

i would get intercooler instead of the exhaust. some people here hitting 400+ with good condition and maybe mix with some race gas.

go n54tech.com if you have questions about jb3. terry is best.

gt3fever · 11-11-2009, 12:47 AM

I used to have same combo with RR catless dp. they will work great and get a FMIC for sure. congrants on new car

DOUT · 11-11-2009, 12:53 AM

Welcome!
First of all, great choice on mods!
I have a JB3 and A&R Catless downpipes, and love them both! (The PROcede is a very good candidate as well)
The BMS DCI should suffice, however I have no personal experience with it.
As for exhaust, it is all personal preferance.
Good luck and have fun!

-Danny

Mike@N54Tuning.com · 11-11-2009, 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slidewayz

Are you a mechanic? You need to take a decision on whether to ride the knock sensor (JB3) or pull timing (PROceed). Arguments exist on both sides.

Both are proven to ride the knock sensor, it is just a matter of degree.

OP: Sounds like a solid combo. With jb3 2.0 software you can custom tune but the supplied maps are very good. If you have any more questions feel free to post here or email me.

Mike

enrita · 11-11-2009, 06:22 AM

When the N54 shows knock its not an actual knock (thats reported through BT cable and ECU as "Superknock")
the knock sensor is calibrated to prevent knock from happening way before the actual knock . Since timings can be pulled in one cycle the event of Real knock / Superknock is almost impossible or at least there must be something seriously wrong in the engine for that to happen.

Zeph · 11-11-2009, 07:51 AM

FMIC before you get too far ahead of yourself. The stock one can't even barely handle 8.5 psi much less the amount of boost you are planning to run with JB3 and catless DP's...

Check out the Macht Snell (spelling?) 3" catless DP's they are almost identical to the AR ones and you might can find them a bit cheaper

Either way they all end up being 2.5" at the end where they bolt onto the exhaust.

Consider whether or not JB3 or PROcede fit your needs better as well, the price really isn't that much different when you start adding BT scanner, O2 sims, etc. (because PROcede includes those things in the software).

Good luck with it

SV Concepts III · 11-11-2009, 12:47 PM

You should be happy with that combo, we just setup a customer in Bahrain with the same parts!

Craig@SupremePower · 11-11-2009, 12:52 PM

A&R = AR Design???

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Originally Posted by dahdout

Welcome!
First of all, great choice on mods!
I have a JB3 and A&R Catless downpipes, and love them both! (The PROcede is a very good candidate as well)
The BMS DCI should suffice, however I have no personal experience with it.
As for exhaust, it is all personal preferance.
Good luck and have fun!

-Danny

11-10-2009, 08:49 PM	#1
justinluv949 Private 13 Rep 89 Posts Drives: 2015 M5 GRAY ON RED Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: HUNTINGTON BEACH iTrader: (0)	The right combo Hello, This is my first post, I will be getting a 335I shortly. I actually work at a BMW dealer in Newport Beach, so I get a really killer deal. The car 2010 335I coupe with 6MT, im really into modding my vehicles, and I want to know if you guys think this is a good setup, and what kind of RWHP and RWTQ I can squeeze out and not blow my motor or do damage it, The parts: Juice Box 3 ar design 3'' Hi-Flo Catless Downpipes BMS Dual Cone Intake N54 maybe run the Milltek Sport cat back exhaust (not sure yet) If i do the catless downpipes will I need the BMS Downpipe CEL Fix or does the juice box take care of it? Thank you all for your time a patience.
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justinluv949 Private 13 Rep 89 Posts Drives: 2015 M5 GRAY ON RED Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: HUNTINGTON BEACH iTrader: (0)	What would be the diffference between the twin air filter and the single? What I don't understand is the juice box you install it, and from what i'm reading it has different settings. How long does it take to access different settings and is there there like a screen to know what program your in, and can you do it wile your driving. And does the JB3 come with all the tunes or is that like some extra charge. thank you.
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justinluv949 Private 13 Rep 89 Posts Drives: 2015 M5 GRAY ON RED Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: HUNTINGTON BEACH iTrader: (0)	Im not a mechanic, but I would say that knock= detonation, and thats not good at all. so for me that would be running the car hard, I would pull timing, I think The Ideal set up would be to have a meth injection kit on the car and when I wanted to do a hi boost run I would switch the tune program and hit the meth injection. But does the tuner work like that. Can that burger motor sports build a tune around my personal car because every car is different just a little bit?
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JayKay335i Banned 189 Rep 5,046 Posts Drives: ///M323 DCT Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: North Dakota; its best DUHHHHHH iTrader: (1)	I'd suggest throwing in an intake and intercooler if you want to make the most out of your mods. You can run meth maps with both piggy back tunes with automatic switching and I believe they both are coming out with or have boost dependent meth controllers. You can scratch plenty over 400 to the wheels with a full stage 3 + meth, consistently.
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wonsungnabi First Lieutenant 19 Rep 355 Posts Drives: E92 335 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Boston MA iTrader: (7)	i would get intercooler instead of the exhaust. some people here hitting 400+ with good condition and maybe mix with some race gas. go n54tech.com if you have questions about jb3. terry is best.
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gt3fever Major 77 Rep 1,232 Posts Drives: 992 GT3, G87 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Socal, Taiwan iTrader: (15)	I used to have same combo with RR catless dp. they will work great and get a FMIC for sure. congrants on new car
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DOUT Captain 56 Rep 783 Posts Drives: M3 Join Date: May 2009 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (2)	Welcome! First of all, great choice on mods! I have a JB3 and A&R Catless downpipes, and love them both! (The PROcede is a very good candidate as well) The BMS DCI should suffice, however I have no personal experience with it. As for exhaust, it is all personal preferance. Good luck and have fun! -Danny __________________ 2021 M3 6MT Brooklyn Grey/Silverstone Previous: 2009 335i ZMP 2013 M3 6MT ZCP Space Grey/Fox Red
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enrita Major General 159 Rep 7,378 Posts Drives: 335i - Big turbos Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Italian in Sweden iTrader: (0)	When the N54 shows knock its not an actual knock (thats reported through BT cable and ECU as "Superknock") the knock sensor is calibrated to prevent knock from happening way before the actual knock . Since timings can be pulled in one cycle the event of Real knock / Superknock is almost impossible or at least there must be something seriously wrong in the engine for that to happen. __________________ 07 335i AT - MOTIV 750 - MHD E85 BMS flash - BMS PI - JB4G5 - Okada Coils - NGK 5992 Plugs - Helix IC - Snow Stg. 3 - Stett CP - Custom midpipes with 100 HJS Cats - Bastuck Quad - PSS10 - QUAIFE LSD - BMS OCC - Forge DVs - AR OC - ALCON BBK - M3 Chassi - Dinan CP - Velocity M rear Toe arms - Advan RZ-DF - LUX H8 - Level 10 AT upgrade
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11-11-2009, 07:51 AM	#14
Zeph Major 27 Rep 1,410 Posts Drives: 2008 E92 335i 6MT SGM CR/BD Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Southeast USA iTrader: (0)	FMIC before you get too far ahead of yourself. The stock one can't even barely handle 8.5 psi much less the amount of boost you are planning to run with JB3 and catless DP's... Check out the Macht Snell (spelling?) 3" catless DP's they are almost identical to the AR ones and you might can find them a bit cheaper Either way they all end up being 2.5" at the end where they bolt onto the exhaust. Consider whether or not JB3 or PROcede fit your needs better as well, the price really isn't that much different when you start adding BT scanner, O2 sims, etc. (because PROcede includes those things in the software). Good luck with it
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SV Concepts III Lieutenant General 375 Rep 17,017 Posts Drives: BMW Duh Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Santa Clara iTrader: (13)	You should be happy with that combo, we just setup a customer in Bahrain with the same parts!
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