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Not enough Air flow after BMS Dual Cone install 335i
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12-15-2016, 09:43 AM | #1 |
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Not enough Air flow after BMS Dual Cone install 335i
I recently got a message from one of my viewers, "Install Dual Cone Air Intakes EASILY! BMW (BMS Burger Motorsports)"
Q: "So after I installed the intakes, my car felt like it's not getting enough air. Would you know what can help." A: "That could be caused by few reasons. My first guess is HPFP (High Pressure Fuel Pump fail) or failing injectors. There is also a possibly of the car having backed up cats (Catalytic Converters). Or it could simply be a from a bad oxygen sensor. Let me know when you find the problem. Cheers." Does anyone have any other ideas? Video Below: Last edited by ArmoDIY; 12-15-2016 at 09:50 AM.. |
12-15-2016, 10:36 AM | #3 |
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The follow up comment was:
"I'm not sure yet what the problem is, but it wasn't my intakes because I put my stock air box back on and every time I would floor it, the car doesn't even pull for a sec but right away loses power and the check engine light comes on. The car is only at 58k miles" Last edited by ArmoDIY; 12-15-2016 at 11:19 AM.. |
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12-15-2016, 11:06 AM | #4 | |
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12-15-2016, 11:33 AM | #7 | |
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Pretty much. We can't help from here the information given is too broad and we can't see what was done under the engine bay. It's not the intakes though. It's something else in the installation/uninstallation.
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Your intercooler has the last say in Intake air temps. Although ideally cooler air is better (I agree since there is more oxygen). It's moot compared to the restrictions of the stock air box. The stock air box is like breathing through a straw. On a tuned vehicle with higher boost the stock intake cannot support the throughput. This is available in the data posted all over the forums and shows a direct translation to WGDC dropping after a DCI is used. Which supports the turbo's work less, more efficient and make more power. When running a stock box, the turbo's need to spin more to achieve the same boost targets, which increases heat anyway, negating the cooler temps breathed in on the intake side. There is also track data available with the DCI showing improvements in trap speed and or 1/4 mile times. However, if someone wants to spend a few dollars the better intake these days is the AFE momentum GT. |
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12-15-2016, 02:07 PM | #9 |
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The guy from Wastegate Warriors logged IATs with the DCI intake and Stock. The DCI intakes had higher temps in the summer time. Makes sense as it just sucks in hot engine bay temperatures.
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12-15-2016, 02:12 PM | #10 |
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It pulls in air and during the compression it creates a lot of heat. The only thing at that point that is going to affect your IAT is your intercooler. If you want lower IAT, focus on the intercooler. In the mean time, the purpose and only purpose of an upgraded intake over stock is more throughput. Again, if you want an ideal intake with more throughput then stock and cooler air, AFE Momentum GT. There is data backing up the AFE momentum GT in the real world, track, dyno, ETC. Again, there is plenty of data posted that a DCI will perform better in the real word, track, dyno, WGDC, ETC Last edited by Jeff@TopGearSolutions; 12-15-2016 at 02:25 PM.. |
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12-16-2016, 01:47 PM | #12 | |
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Even if there is a difference of 100 degrees between intake temps AT THE AIR FILTER, your turbo still heats that up to several hundred degrees and your intercooler is what ultimately determines your intake temps at the intake. you might see a difference of a couple degrees, but that is not noticeable |
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12-19-2016, 11:21 AM | #13 | |
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12-19-2016, 12:01 PM | #14 |
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Just stop. There is so much more than just efficiency when it comes to engineering automobiles, or any item for that matter. There are many constraints and guidelines that come into designing.
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12-19-2016, 12:08 PM | #15 |
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12-19-2016, 12:17 PM | #16 |
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Costs, materials, NVH, clean packaging, noise allowances, ease of manufacturing ability. Things of that nature, pretty simple stuff that I picked up when going to university for my BSME.
Also attached a link for sources. http://engineering.missouri.edu/mae/...onstraints.pdf |
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12-19-2016, 04:09 PM | #18 |
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I bet these are the people that say climate change is fake cause its cold outside.
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12-19-2016, 06:18 PM | #20 |
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No, these people that dispute results of a dci.
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12-20-2016, 12:58 PM | #21 | |
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Cost: Sure is cheap Materials: Mostly the same NVH: Definitely noiser Clean packaging: Looks like shit Noise allowances: WTF does that mean ? Ease of manufacuring: Like I said, lazy It seems like one thing they didn't teach you was critical thinking. |
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12-20-2016, 01:04 PM | #22 | |
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Pretty much done with you. My point is made and you are easily angered. Not going to bring myself to your level. |
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