[scott@bmwhn]

The reasoning behind the price changes are explained below by Dinan:

"We will be having a price increase of $200 per software stage on the twin-turbo N-54 engines (135/335/535). This is due to the numerous software updates that BMW has mandated for these engines. At last count there were over 19 TSB’s and more to come. We have had to spend an inordinate amount of time to keep up with these changes and have had to add more resources to our software department....The price increase will take effect on October 12, 2009."

On my previous car I downloaded the stage 2 software Feb. 2008 (pre-stage 2 version 2). From that point until I returned the car this past August I updated my Dinan software 8 times (the first being the revised flash in May 2008). The other 7 times I did out of curiosity to monitor any changes that BMWs progman updates may have on the Dinan flash. (as stated above, Dinan implements BMW updates into there own software to stay current with BMW standards.)

Obviously the first time I updated in May of 2008 to the revised flash (to be called stage 2) I noticed a big improvement in immediate throttle response and honestly that was about it. So did I notice any differences after the other 7 times I updated? No.

Please keep in mind that I never did any form of Dyno testing or data logging on the car so the validity of my experience and my testing is only as good as my word.

-Scott

Maineiac: That would vary from dealer to dealer. We never charge for a mandatory reflash at our dealership, but I also do all the work so there is no technician to pay.

[badass1g]

for 2k you could most likely have a 11 second car lol

400-used jb3
300-catless DP's
600-intercooler
100-intake
400-some drag radials with light wheels
hell thats only 1800 lol

but hey obviously price is no concern to you, if you have that kind of money im sure dinan will be good extra boost in power and really smooth as well.

[Sniz]

Originally Posted by badass1g

for 2k you could most likely have a 11 second car lol

400-used jb3
300-catless DP's
600-intercooler
100-intake
400-some drag radials with light wheels
hell thats only 1800 lol

but hey obviously price is no concern to you, if you have that kind of money im sure dinan will be good extra boost in power and really smooth as well.

got a link for this?

[midlife]

Originally Posted by Brey335i

I've driven the Vishnu, JB3, and Dinan Stage II. I ended up going with Dinan...

Vishnu was fast but almost as expensive and didn't include a warranty... JB3 as slooooow. Dinan with a LSD is beast

JB3 was slow... you gotta be kidding.

have you been in a car with the recent JB3 1.3 or 1.4 ??
i will make your dinan look like it is standing still

[midlife]

Originally Posted by turkish335

did you forget the change from the valet map when you were driving the jb3? lol @ dinan being faster than jb3

i just posted the same... go figure

but the guy who said JB3 was slow has less than 20 posts so maybe he did the JB3 install backwards or something.

[SteveMD]

Originally Posted by Brey335i

I've driven the Vishnu, JB3, and Dinan Stage II. I ended up going with Dinan...

Vishnu was fast but almost as expensive and didn't include a warranty... JB3 as slooooow. Dinan with a LSD is beast

Dinan is a beast?

JB3 must have been on Map 0.

[badass1g]

Originally Posted by Sniz

got a link for this?

i already bought them http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ighlight=kosei

[Presidio335xi]

Originally Posted by badass1g

i already bought them http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ighlight=kosei

and installed them yourself?

not everyone brings there car to a track. i have 36,000 miles in 18 months because i drive my car for work in the city and lots of freeways. never had a single problem and if i did i wouldnt have to worry about it. i dont care to spend time with upgrades and updates or diy's. that why i paid $1,900 and was done with it.

if i wanted the best bang for my buck i would have bough an evo.

stop putting us done because we paid for simplicity. i bet you drive around for the cheapest gas too.

[guru28]

You need to read my post. Got rid of Dinan Stage 2 and got GIAC now. Woweewow. It's everything that Dinan should have been. Oh well, Dinan's loss. Once you try GIAC, you'll laugh at Dinan. But it's your money.

[Gumulri]

Originally Posted by enrita

if you are looking for a Flash go with GIAC... Dinan is way too expensive and performs worse.

+1

[thatsosm]

if you are willing to drop some money get the procede and the bt scan tool. Then you are goooood!

[Kurfer]

The rev2 version of the Dinan Stage II is toned down, be very careful spending the money.

rev1 people were dynoing 335-340whp
rev2 people are dynoing 300-315whp

That's alot of cash to throw down for a weak tune.

[ToadHollow]

Originally Posted by m3kerry

Mine was on my car when I bought it. It has been fun to have the power. I don't need more than the 398hp and 429tq I am putting down now.

Originally Posted by Presidio335xi

and installed them yourself?

not everyone brings there car to a track. i have 36,000 miles in 18 months because i drive my car for work in the city and lots of freeways. never had a single problem and if i did i wouldnt have to worry about it. i dont care to spend time with upgrades and updates or diy's. that why i paid $1,900 and was done with it.

if i wanted the best bang for my buck i would have bough an evo.

stop putting us done because we paid for simplicity. i bet you drive around for the cheapest gas too.

+1 ........... I have yet to experience a single problem with my car. No failures, issues or dealership stories here.
I paid for a tune that isn't a risk when going to any dealership for service (or anything else). I purchased the car new in March of 2008. At that time the other tunes (JB & ProCede) were what I consider to be headache tunes with everything that would have to be uninstalled & reinstalled out of fear the dealer "might catch me". The Dinan is legit & will never be an issue with a warranty claim on the car.
At last dyno my car had a peak rwhp of 397 ........ respectable for a Dinan & bolt ons wouldn't you say? By the way, catted downpipes as well.
The car still has the original BMW sw & Dinan flash which I believe has lent something to the overall mechanical reliability of the car.

Originally Posted by guru28

You need to read my post. Got rid of Dinan Stage 2 and got GIAC now. Woweewow. It's everything that Dinan should have been. Oh well, Dinan's loss. Once you try GIAC, you'll laugh at Dinan. But it's your money.

And the GIAC tune has been available for these cars for a short time. Had it been available when many of us had the Dinan installed then I would've welcomed it as I would have had a choice of ECU tunes. Then again, you paid for a Dinan tune too ............ so unless you have comparable power with the GIAC tune that I have with the Dinan; I would say that you paid MUCH more than I did with having what ... Dinan @ $1800 & GIAC @ around $800?

By the way, for everyone reading this .......... ECU tunes & piggybacks shouldn't be (in my opinion) placed in comparison with each other.

[badass1g]

Originally Posted by Presidio335xi

and installed them yourself?

i dont care to spend time with upgrades and updates or diy's. that why i paid $1,900 and was done with it.

if i wanted the best bang for my buck i would have bough an evo.

stop putting us done because we paid for simplicity. i bet you drive around for the cheapest gas too.

lmao yes i put on a set of rims myself, have you never changed your own tire? wow you must be a millionare, do you hit the SOS button every time your tire runs low on air? best bang for buck surely isnt an EVO. you've got alot to learn buddy. keep on reading. not putting you or anyone down. just trying to give friendly advice on saving yourself tons of money and getting alot more power. cheers

[Kurfer]

Originally Posted by m3kerry

Mine was on my car when I bought it. It has been fun to have the power. I don't need more than the 398hp and 429tq I am putting down now.

The problem is that you are not putting down that kind of power. If you were then there wouldn't be as many Dinan complaints.

I'm all about spending a certain premium to obtain luxuries, Dinan was never about cost to me. The problem I have is that after spending thousands we are left with a tune that is grossly outperformed by a $200 piggyback.

[guru28]

Actually I spent $2000 on Dinan Stage 2 and now $800 on GIAC. But remember, when Dinan came out it was the only game in town concerning a flash. Now that GIAC is a player, everyone has options, and you really have to think twice on going with Dinan. Don't let the warranty persuade you. Two of my injectors went at 28,000 miles with Dinan on board and still they were replaced by BMW, no questions asked. The key is to develop a good relationship with your SA. Remember, it's not his money, not the stealership's money, it's BMW's money, so why would he care? I just think going with Dinan is the wrong way to go now that GIAC is in the game. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

[rag133]

Question...why are there so many tuner nazi's here who feel the need to put down and disrespect people who decide to tune in a way they do not agree with?? I went with Dinan, who cares? I know it cost more, but I was not looking for the flat out fastest possible tune and did not want to do it myself. Why is that so wrong? I have a great relationship with my BMW Service team and will have zero problems with warranty coverage if anything happens. I felt this was important so I went with it.

If everyone HAD to have the fastest tune out there, why would there be choices? Just because everyone doesn't get the same tune, why the need for people to be such pricks about it? People go with Dinan, who the hell cares? Deal with it.

[badass1g]

because everyone feels what they have is the best choice, hence all the arguments. its always been an argument and always will be bud. but in all reality i love when people spend more for slower parts. makes it that much cheaper for me to beat them

[ToadHollow]

This thread definitely NEEDS TO DIE.