[drjoe66]

Originally Posted by ChasVS

It's NOT FUCKING PROBLEMATIC! This is typical forum BS. 99% run just fine.

I respectfully disagree (with the statement and the language you are using). My car has 6,000 miles and has already long cranks/hard starts. The dealer acknowledged the issue but told me BMW does not allow them to act anymore as long as there was no error code. So I have to wait until I get stranded before BMW NA allows them to fix anything.

Every time I get into my car I pray it starts up and every time I have to catch a flight or take my kid to school I hope it will not let me down (and that for $53,000).

I don't care what the other 99% (I doubt that number, I just ran into another 335i owner last weel in a parking lot who had 2 fuel pumps so far and is not active on any boards etc, he had no idea this was a common issue....) think, my car is developing problems after less one year of ownership and has been in the shop three times now. That is unacceptable to me. This is my 7th BMW and I never had issues like this or was worried to drive a car.

[drjoe66]

Originally Posted by ChasVS

Good thing no one is watching ABC any more! But it is typical isn't it? They destroy anything for a story.

Even worse is FOX. They would make a story on their own gradmother and portray her as whatever they think could make a story. "News" in this country are so pathetic...

[Tag]

BMW Faces Class Action over High Pressure Fuel Pumps

[jonni44]

I knew there was some sort of class action lawsuit recently but I havent heard anything about it coming up on good morning america.

Question: Do people who would consider buying our cars even watch that show?

I also have another more important but possibly just as stupid question: Are there any differences between the Canadian versions of the 335 and the US versions, HPFP wise?

I only ask because Ive got an 07 335 dinan stage 3 with 38,000 km (23000miles) on it and I myself have put 18000km of the total milage on it. Ive driven it back and forth between BC and Alberta numerous times, from Calgary to San diego and back and forth drom SD to San Fran a couple times too. The ONLY problem I have encountered in that time was my gas cap wasnt done up properly ONCE (thanks Oregon) and the yellow half shaded check engine light came on. My first oil change is next weekend even though my car says I can go another 6k on it. Did I just get lucky?

[335iseb]

Does anybody know if BMW is still trying to design a new fuel pump or whether they just gave up on it. I have an 08 that has symptoms of the hpfp going but no codes yet.

In the last 2 months I've had 2 visits to dealerships and all i got was the magic firmware update......

I've started to make videos and I'll be happy to send them to the dealership or BMW NA with these ongoing issues. I haven't had the car back 1 week yet and already 2 instances where the car wants to stall out and die on me in the morning.

If BMW NA thinks that I have to get stranded on the side of the road in NY during winter for them to replace my HPFP then they're going to start knocking some payments off my car.

[Cygnusx1]

I heard they are going back to carburetors.

[scrufy]

Originally Posted by Cygnusx1

I heard they are going back to carburetors.

+1
and solid rubber tires... Ultimate run flats!

[crazydrummer]

Good thing i just sold mine!

[ttomczak]

I'm glad I bought mine when there were still expensive...

makes me feel better...

[ZoomZoom]

Although I've never met a person with HPFP issues...this is starting to worry me...S5 is looking real good right now.

[Potty_Pants]

For those that want to hide in the shadows ... go crawl under your rock.

BMW had over 3 years to fix this problem and all they did was a bandaid.

The problem still continues and they are waiting out the clock INSERT "BEAN COUNTER"

more publicity more attention.. squeaky wheel gets the grease.

my god how many more do you guys really need.

F you bmw fanboys this HPFP needs to be fixed.

ppp

[DASHOCKER]

This should be interesting

[D.B.S]

Originally Posted by Potty_Pants

For those that want to hide in the shadows ... go crawl under your rock.

BMW had over 3 years to fix this problem and all they did was a bandaid.

The problem still continues and they are waiting out the clock INSERT "BEAN COUNTER"

more publicity more attention.. squeaky wheel gets the grease.

my god how many more do you guys really need.

F you bmw fanboys this HPFP needs to be fixed.

ppp

+1

To all the Naysayers who say this is limited to just those on the forums; maybe in your small little world this is the limit of the problem. I've stated in the other ABC thread in the Turbo section this:

My 335xi, (which I don't have anymore since I upgraded to the N55 X5), had two HPFP failures... It was a loaner vehicle, and had it's first HPFP replaced by the dealership when it only had 8k miles.. I didn't even have ownership of it yet. I bought it when it had 18k miles as a CPO, and by 29k miles it's HPFP failed AGAIN. I knew about this problem (HPFP) as being possible, but the dealership never told me it had failed once before. Had I known, I probably wouldn't have bought the car. I upgraded to the N55 X5 (still knowing that the HPFP was the same in it). 300 miles of driving, I had my first long crank (5+ seconds). It doesn't happen all the time, but when it does, I question whether it's going to start or not. I'm only at 2k miles and I still have occasional long cranks, but no error codes. I shouldn't have to worry about starting my car in the morning, and wondering if I can get to work or not, because BMW has been using the same failed approach on their pump for 4 Model Years.

Stop coming up with excuses for BMW, they know they f'd up the pump, and they know that little band-aid fixes aren't going to make the problem go away. It's like windows Vista (over glorified version of windows ME, because that was a failed OS as well), the software keeps crashing systems, so what did microsoft do? Windows 7 (and even that isn't the greatest).

For those worried about the resale value of your x35, oh well you knew it already had the possiblity of having it's HPFP fail... Atleast someone is finally bringing this problem to the light of day, so it's not some dark dirty secret that only BMW and the Forums know about.

Dealerships know the true extent of what's going on, specially when you ask them and they say that they have 3-4 cars a day coming in for the HPFP issue. This isn't limited to forums, and anybody who thinks that is just hiding under a rock..

[Thud]

Hopefully it won't hurt the value of my 135i because I'm trading it in just a few days after the story runs.

(for the record, I'm on my 3rd HPFP)

[Thud]

Originally Posted by ZoomZoom

Although I've never met a person with HPFP issues...this is starting to worry me...S5 is looking real good right now.

I know a few folks IRL that have the N54 motor, and they ALL have had their fuel pump replaced at least once.

Yeah it's nice that BMW extended the warranty to 10 years / 120k miles on that part, but that doesn't help when your engine suddenly cuts out in the middle of a busy interstate.

[Bavarian E92]

Originally Posted by Bavarian E92

True but I wouldn't call them idiots. If i knew that the car was so problematic, i would have leased something else instead of buying the 335. I hope this really opens BMW's eyes on this issue. I mean they had almost 4 years to fix the issue and they were dumb enough to put the same pump in the N55! Its a major problem and a major inconvenience too. It usually takes multiple dealer visits and a lot of wasted time to get it fixed....until it breaks again. Technology has advanced so much that there shouldn't be these kind of issues.

Originally Posted by ChasVS

It's NOT FUCKING PROBLEMATIC! This is typical forum BS. 99% run just fine.

lol 99% run fine? Man you are drinking that bmw hpfp kool-aid big time. Yes..It is problematic

[Php]

Could cause BMW to really look into the issue and come up with a good fix. Then the value of 335s will be stronger than ever considering it's performance, value, etc.

[ruxp]

Originally Posted by jonni44

I knew there was some sort of class action lawsuit recently but I havent heard anything about it coming up on good morning america.

Question: Do people who would consider buying our cars even watch that show?

I also have another more important but possibly just as stupid question: Are there any differences between the Canadian versions of the 335 and the US versions, HPFP wise?

I only ask because Ive got an 07 335 dinan stage 3 with 38,000 km (23000miles) on it and I myself have put 18000km of the total milage on it. Ive driven it back and forth between BC and Alberta numerous times, from Calgary to San diego and back and forth drom SD to San Fran a couple times too. The ONLY problem I have encountered in that time was my gas cap wasnt done up properly ONCE (thanks Oregon) and the yellow half shaded check engine light came on. My first oil change is next weekend even though my car says I can go another 6k on it. Did I just get lucky?

My pump didn't fail until I was at around 33k miles. People saying this is "forum BS" are retarded. From what I've seen with these cars, it's pretty much inevitable - just a matter of when.

[phil_]

My car was fine for the first 50,000km. Then I started getting long cranks which lasted a couple of months. To be honest it's a little embarrassing to start a $60,000 (CDN) car and have it turn over for 5-10 seconds...

Eventually under hard acceleration the car would throw a code. I thought finally I can take it in and have the pump replaced. Boy was I wrong. BMW had the most asinine approach.

Step 1: Upgrade the software. Fine, doesn't make sense to me but my hands are tied.

Step 2: Next morning, cold start car turns over for a good 15 seconds, gives up and throw's a check engine light. Again I figured finally I can get this fixed. WRONG. Dealer says they can't see any codes and they won't do anything. I was absolutely furious. How can they not see that a code was thrown... I don’t believe it.

Step 3: I now have to wait for a code to be thrown. Don't shut off the car and bring it in while the dealer happens to be open. As I'm driving home I beat the living shit out of it. Reproduce a check engine light and reduced power. Drive back to the dealership. As I merge onto the highway a semi truck is coming up and I had to actually stop on the shoulder because there's no way I was going anywhere with a 4000lbs 150HP car. I thought this is great I'm endangering my life to prove to BMW I have a problem...

Step 4: Bring the car in with check engine light illuminated, this has to be the end of it right? SA says it's not the code they were hoping for and he'll see what they can do. At this point I'm beyond upset. I get the feeling they won't do anything unless the pump dies and I'm stuck on the side of the road... I raised hell. After several hours of waiting I'm informed they will replace the pump. And to be honest it felt like the guy was doing me a favor or something.

So yeah HPFP problems suck and I'm happy this is getting national news coverage. If you're getting long cranks, anything above 5 seconds or throw 1 check engine that results in reduced power it should be the end of it. Change the pump, I don't have time for these games.

[ruxp]

Originally Posted by phil_

Eventually under hard acceleration the car would throw a code. I thought finally I can take it in and have the pump replaced. Boy was I wrong. BMW had the most asinine approach.

Step 1: Upgrade the software. Fine, doesn't make sense to me but my hands are tied.

I had to deal with that bullshit too. It's not the dealership's fault, it's BMW NA's. BMW NA pays the dealer for warranty work and they get to decide if and when a fuel pump is replaced. And their current policy is to do a software upgrade before upgrading the fuel pump. It's the stupidest shit imaginable, and the fact that you have to go through the motions of getting a bullshit fix you know isn't going to work, only to waste your time bringing back the car a few days later, pissed me off SO MUCH more than I otherwise would have been.

[Delta0311]

Originally Posted by ruxp

I had to deal with that bullshit too. It's not the dealership's fault, it's BMW NA's. BMW NA pays the dealer for warranty work and they get to decide if and when a fuel pump is replaced. And their current policy is to do a software upgrade before upgrading the fuel pump. It's the stupidest shit imaginable, and the fact that you have to go through the motions of getting a bullshit fix you know isn't going to work, only to waste your time bringing back the car a few days later, pissed me off SO MUCH more than I otherwise would have been.

Yeah because some how a software upgrade is going to resolve a physical defect. BMW knows they fucked up with the fuel pump and it's about time they made a replacement for it.

[BarefootManiac]

ABC should title this story as "The Haunting of HPFP". It's perfect for Halloween.