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So "Charlemagne? George Washington? Or was it Lincoln?", etc., had it wrong, but Clan hits Bingo with his wild west mentality?
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Yes, exactly. Glad you understand.

BTW, the "wild west" was never wild. That is a Hollywood myth.
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Yes, exactly. Glad you understand.

BTW, the "wild west" was never wild. That is a Hollywood myth.


Yes, even before Hollywood existed!
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Yes, even before Hollywood existed!
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From your link:
"Dozens of movies have portrayed the nineteenth-century mining camps in the West as hot beds of anarchy and violence, but John Umbeck discovered that, beginning in 1848, the miners began forming contracts with one another to restrain their own behavior (1981, 51)."
"The mining camps hired “enforcement specialists”—justices of the peace and arbitrators—and developed an extensive body of property and criminal law."

ie: they made laws.
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We got into a shootout today. Really bad friggin' day. Ughhhh!
Oh dear. I'm sorry to hear that. I hope you and your fellow officers are physically all right.
And I hope you get through the mental up and down component quickly too
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We got into a shootout today. Really bad friggin' day. Ughhhh!
Did you win?
Thank you! Yes! The two shooters surrendered after a really long ordeal.
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From your link:
"Dozens of movies have portrayed the nineteenth-century mining camps in the West as hot beds of anarchy and violence, but John Umbeck discovered that, beginning in 1848, the miners began forming contracts with one another to restrain their own behavior (1981, 51)."
"The mining camps hired “enforcement specialists”—justices of the peace and arbitrators—and developed an extensive body of property and criminal law."

ie: they made laws.
Did you miss the very first paragraph? Here it is again. Bolding is mine.
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Contrary to popular perception, the Old West was much more peaceful than American cities are today. The real culture of violence on the frontier during the latter half of the nineteenth century sprang from the U.S. government’s policies toward the Plains Indians.
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Did you miss the very first paragraph? Here it is again. Bolding is mine.
Yes, but I see no supporting data in your link.
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Thank you! Yes! The two shooters surrendered after a really long ordeal.
Glad to hear.

I cannot imagine doing what you do on a daily basis.

A part of me still goes with the 'terminate with extreme prejudice' mentality, but then rational thought steps in and says that just makes me a loose cannon and a liability.
And trying to keep it together mentally and treating the next citizen you see as a citizen, and not a threat, that takes some serious mental fortitude.

Kudos, brother. Glad you're safe and sound.
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We got into a shootout today. Really bad friggin' day. Ughhhh!
That really sucks but you're posting about it, which makes it a good day. Glad you're OK.
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Yes, but I see no supporting data in your link.
You gotta read the whole article. References are at the end. Quoted here to save your fingers from having to click your mouse.

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Anderson, Terry, and P. J. Hill. 1979. An American Experiment in Anarcho-capitalism: The Not So Wild, Wild West. Journal of Libertarian Studies 3: 9–29.

Anderson, Terry, and Fred L. McChesney. 1994. Raid or Trade? An Economic Model of Indian-White Relations. Journal of Law and Economics 37: 39–74.

Benson, Bruce. 1998. To Serve and Protect: Privatization and Community in Criminal Justice. New York: New York University Press for The Independent Institute.

Brown, Dee. 1970. Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee: An Indian History of the American West. New York: Holt.
———. 2001. Hear That Lonesome Whistle Blow. New York: Owl Books.

DiLorenzo, Thomas J. 2006. Lincoln Unmasked: What You’re Not Supposed to Know about Dishonest Abe. New York: Crown Forum.

Fellman, Michael. 1995. Citizen Sherman: A Life of William Tecumseh Sherman. Lawrence: University of Kansas Press.

Franz, Joe B. 1969. The Frontier Tradition: An Invitation to Violence. In The History of Violence in America, edited by Hugh D. Graham and Ted R. Gurr, 127–54. New York: New York Times Books.
Fussell, Paul. 1997. The Culture of War. In The Costs of War: America’s Pyrrhic Victories, edited by John Denson, 351–57. New Brunswick, N.J.: Transaction.

Hollon, W. Eugene. 1974. Frontier Violence: Another Look. New York: Oxford University Press.

Kennett, Lee B. 2001. Sherman: A Soldier’s Life. New York: HarperCollins.

Marshall, S. L. A. 1972. Crimsoned Prairie: The Indian Wars. New York: Da Capo Press.

Marszalek, John F. 1993. Sherman: A Soldier’s Passion for Order. New York: Vintage Books.

McGrath, Roger. 1984. Gunfighters, Highwaymen, and Vigilantes: Violence on the Frontier. Berkeley and Los Angeles: University of California Press.

Mises, Ludwig von. 1998. Human Action. Scholar’s Edition. Auburn, Ala.: Ludwig von Mises Institute.

Morris, Roy. 1992. Sheridan: The Life & Wars of General Phil Sheridan. New York: Vintage Books.

Nichols, David A. 1978. Lincoln and the Indians: Civil War Policy and Politics. Columbia: University of Missouri Press.

Powell, Jim. 2006. Bully Boy: The Truth about Theodore Roosevelt’s Legacy. New York: Crown Forum.

Roback, Jennifer. 1992. Exchange, Sovereignty, and Indian-Anglo Relations. In Property Rights and Indian Economies, edited by Terry Anderson, 5–26. Savage, Md.: Roman & Littlefield.

Rothbard, Murray N. 1997. America’s Two Just Wars: 1775 and 1861. In The Costs of War: America’s Pyrrhic Victories, edited by John Denson, 119–33. New Brunswick, N.J.: Transaction.

Sherman, William T. 2005. Memoirs. New York: Barnes & Noble.

Thornton, Russel. 1990. American Indian Holocaust and Survival: A Population History Since 1492. Oklahoma City: University of Oklahoma Press.

Umbeck, John. 1981. Might Makes Rights: A Theory of the Formation and Initial Distribution of Property Rights. Economic Inquiry 19: 38–59.

Walters, John Bennett. 1973. Merchant of Terror: General Sherman and Total War. New York: Bobbs-Merrill.
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You gotta read the whole article. References are at the end. Quoted here to save your fingers from having to click your mouse.
I read the whole article, and clicked on many of the footnotes. Thanks & interesting stuff for sure, but I did not see a thing comparing crime in modern cities to the US expansion into the west.
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Thank you! Yes! The two shooters surrendered after a really long ordeal.
Glad nobody died.
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I WISH we had those. That would be a wonderful tool. It would, in theory, limit how much deadly force we might have to use. I would much rather use that than a stun bag shotgun.
I wish this tool was mandatory. I'll bet you'd be right about it alleviating some of the deadly force you would otherwise have to use. Like some others have said, like it's straight out of a movie. Pretty cool.
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I WISH we had those. That would be a wonderful tool. It would, in theory, limit how much deadly force we might have to use. I would much rather use that than a stun bag shotgun.
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Yeah that actually looks like pretty cool tech that would actually work/help officers.
The BolaWrap demo is mostly performed on volunteer suspects standing still or walking slowly. How does it perform when a suspect is running, and their leg stride is faster than the BolaWrap can encircle them?

Maybe I've been working in the IT field with the mythical "sales guy land" where everything works and integrates with zero effort, but I am skeptical when the demo video focuses on people standing still or walking comically slow. I'm sure that it has a use in law enforcement, but would it be used enough to justify the belt space?????
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I remember a number of years ago a TV news show did a piece on less than lethal weapons for police and military. It might have been 60 minutes, but just guessing. Anyway, they had a gun that shot a net, the Bolo, and a thing that looked like a military flame thrower that shot out a very thick glue. All very impressive when a reasonably compliant volunteer is your subject. Not likely practical to equip every scout car with though. The sad reality is sometimes force get's used and sometimes it goes badly. CEW is a good less than lethal option, but there are those who want it banned because of a few bad outcomes. How many lives have been saved because it was an option never seems to matter to the activists.
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Learn some manners, pls.
You can go round & round your toilet bowl, for all I care.

CDC Study Ban?:

"Passed in 1997 with the strong backing of the NRA, the so-called "Dickey Amendment" effectively bars the national Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) from studying firearm violence...."
"Besides, experts say, non-partisan research could uncover a plethora of suggestions to help stem the tide of violence -- education strategies, guns storage solutions, etc. -- that don't include limiting access to guns.

"Violence prevention researchers are invested in less violence, not fewer guns," Corby said. "Their end game is not to take away guns.""

https://www.gunpolicy.org/templates/...tpage-head.jpg

https://abcnews.go.com/US/federal-go...ry?id=50300379
Entirely too predictable and exactly the response I was saying not to bother with. Your bias is clear and you do not appear to be arguing in good faith which is why the politics forum was closed.

I’ll let this thread get back to cop talk.
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Entirely too predictable and exactly the response I was saying not to bother with. Your bias is clear and you do not appear to be arguing in good faith which is why the politics forum was closed.

I’ll let this thread get back to cop talk.
Sorry to bother you, Carnac.

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This wasn't put into standard use since it proved dangerous if it was applied to the head. Still pretty darn cool though.

People still don't understand the difference between NON-lethal, and LESS-lethal.
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Entirely too predictable and exactly the response I was saying not to bother with. Your bias is clear and you do not appear to be arguing in good faith which is why the politics forum was closed.

I’ll let this thread get back to cop talk.
I tried once when I was a newbie here. I didn't realize how biased and unwilling to discuss the subject rationally he was. And how insulting he is when discussing firearms. Now I ignore him entirely. I guessed you wouldn't last long either.
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I tried once when I was a newbie here. I didn't realize how biased and unwilling to discuss the subject rationally he was. And how insulting he is when discussing firearms. Now I ignore him entirely. I guessed you wouldn't last long either.
Excuses, excuses, excuses!
And another empty post attacking the messenger....
So predictable!
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I would REALLY like to see this valuable thread continue, and implore everyone to keep it on topic. There is no longer a politics/religion section here.....
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