-- Movie -- Giac flash stage 1 vs Vishnu V3

ontopofm · 08-31-2009, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. 5

Thanks for that. I PM'd Big Tom but didn't get an answer.
People were questioning the validity of my video but the person that ran the Procede was on 80% settings in my video.
If this car was on 88% settings then there's nothing that surprising about the different outcomes.

i bet Big Tom's car dyno over 400 rwhp & 400 rwtp whereas my car dynoed at 360s and i was running map 5-29,
btw, i checked code this mornig and got this
2DED Power management, standby current control
but dont think it's the cause of the loss.

I335 · 08-31-2009, 09:30 AM

According to your sig, sounds like you've got quite the set up as well, enrita!

enrita · 08-31-2009, 09:35 AM

yeah , bit boring since i dont have much more to do to the car :-)

Mr. 5 · 08-31-2009, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by adrian@vishnu

Any tuner could rename there stage 3 tune as a stage 1 , and then the stage 1 map would go better... My point is that to say stage 1 vs stage 1 is really more a question of the way the tuner chooses to tune for a particular stage. You can only do a fair comparison of the same stage when the tuners have the same idea of what a stage is.

GIAC says that stage 1 is tuned for a car with only an exhaust. That's it.
I think that stage 2 will be for DPs, exhaust, and intake, and stage 2+ will be with intercooler.

enrita · 08-31-2009, 09:44 AM

Actually Stage 2 is for intercooler = this means they will push more boost which otherwise without will induce heatsoak straight away
Stage 2+= Dps even more boost added becauase of the free flowing exhaust that would not be able to go through with catted stock dps.
So at the end i guess we are talking the same boosting:
Stage 2: 14.5
Stage 2 plus: 15/15,5
However considering the full ACTIVE timing and Vanos control they will be able to extract more power than piggies in general .
These are all assumptions from my side of course :-)

Mr. 5 · 08-31-2009, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by enrita

Actually Stage 2 is for intercooler = this means they will push more boost which otherwise without will induce heatsoak straight away
Stage 2+= Dps even more boost added becauase of the free flowing exhaust that would not be able to go through with catted stock dps.
So at the end i guess we are talking the same boosting:
Stage 2: 14.5
Stage 2 plus: 15/15,5
However considering the full ACTIVE timing and Vanos control they will be able to extract more power than piggies in general .
These are all assumptions from my side of course :-)

Thanks for clarifying. I thought it was the other way around.

jpsimon · 08-31-2009, 07:44 PM

bump for a good video

DefBringer · 09-01-2009, 10:59 AM

Honestly I am much more interested in seeing STOCK cars with tune-only being compared. I think this is especially important considering the vast majority of people buying these tunes are not going crazy with hardware upgrades (anything more than cat-back exhaust or intake).

Additionally, I would like to see a respected member of this community with zero affiliations with any of these tuner shops (i.e. probably not anybody who has posted in this thread) compare the overall feel and driveability. An ideally-tuned 335i should still feel like a BMW...just a little more punch.

Sniz · 09-01-2009, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by DefBringer

Honestly I am much more interested in seeing STOCK cars with tune-only being compared. I think this is especially important considering the vast majority of people buying these tunes are not going crazy with hardware upgrades (anything more than cat-back exhaust or intake).

Additionally, I would like to see a respected member of this community with zero affiliations with any of these tuner shops (i.e. probably not anybody who has posted in this thread) compare the overall feel and driveability. An ideally-tuned 335i should still feel like a BMW...just a LOT more punch.

fixed

BavarianBullet · 09-02-2009, 10:40 PM

Clearly "stage x" in marketing speak doesn't mean crap and the truth will come out once we get some nice boost logs.

I wish GIAC well too. Not hating on it. If it really is better, god bless. Technology does advance now and then...

My 50c bet is that GIAC won't make significantly more power than JB3, Procede or any other tune on the N54 once the boost curve looks the same and all other variables are adequately controlled.

Alext · 09-03-2009, 10:08 AM

Errr..that was a pretty good thrashing by the V3! Reminded me of a vid I once saw of a JB3 1.2 vs SSTT.

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enrita Major General 161 Rep 7,377 Posts Drives: 335i - Big turbos Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Italian in Sweden iTrader: (0)	Actually Stage 2 is for intercooler = this means they will push more boost which otherwise without will induce heatsoak straight away Stage 2+= Dps even more boost added becauase of the free flowing exhaust that would not be able to go through with catted stock dps. So at the end i guess we are talking the same boosting: Stage 2: 14.5 Stage 2 plus: 15/15,5 However considering the full ACTIVE timing and Vanos control they will be able to extract more power than piggies in general . These are all assumptions from my side of course :-) __________________ 07 335i AT - MOTIV 750 - MHD E85 BMS flash - BMS PI - JB4G5 - Okada Coils - NGK 5992 Plugs - Helix IC - Snow Stg. 3 - Stett CP - Custom midpipes with 100 HJS Cats - Bastuck Quad - PSS10 - QUAIFE LSD - BMS OCC - Forge DVs - AR OC - ALCON BBK - M3 Chassi - Dinan CP - Velocity M rear Toe arms - Advan RZ-DF - LUX H8 - Level 10 AT upgrade
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