Is a 335i quicker than an E46 M3 with either

DrGP · 07-05-2007, 04:02 PM

a Procede or Turbo Tuner mod? I assume that it is with the Procede, but does the TT give enough of a performance boost to make it quicker (0-60 1/4 mile times) than a stock M3?

musc · 07-05-2007, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DrGP

a Procede or Turbo Tuner mod? I assume that it is with the Procede, but does the TT give enough of a performance boost to make it quicker (0-60 1/4 mile times) than a stock M3?

Yes. They are fairly neck and neck through the 1/4 when both or stock. A simple tune like the Turbo Tuner give the 335i the edge, assuming the M3 stays stock.

bronco · 07-05-2007, 04:08 PM

heheh I was going to say the same thing

Jonmartin · 07-05-2007, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DrGP

a Procede or Turbo Tuner mod? I assume that it is with the Procede, but does the TT give enough of a performance boost to make it quicker (0-60 1/4 mile times) than a stock M3?

LOL At this thread.Look up username Walked U watch vids....

derryck · 07-05-2007, 04:53 PM

Up to 80mph or so they are neck and neck from a dig...the 335 has a slight advantage at lower speed roll ons where as the M3 has the advantage at higher speeds. I have an M3 with intake, full exhaust, coil-overs, software and it's about 250 lbs. lighter than stock and it's around 320RWHP. I also have a 6MT 335i sedan w/ just a Procede (v.1.45) at the moment and my M3 is a bit stronger after about 100mph or so.

bnj · 07-05-2007, 05:02 PM

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Up to 80mph or so they are neck and neck from a dig...the 335 has a slight advantage at lower speed roll ons where as the M3 has the advantage at higher speeds. I have an M3 with intake, full exhaust, coil-overs, software and it's about 250 lbs. lighter than stock and it's around 320RWHP. I also have a 6MT 335i sedan w/ just a Procede (v.1.45) at the moment and my M3 is a bit stronger after about 100mph or so.

What are the figures?

E90Russ · 07-05-2007, 05:05 PM

Stock and Stock they are relatively equal. It stands to reason that a Procede would tip the balance toward the 335i.

DanMardik · 07-05-2007, 05:11 PM

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Stock and Stock they are relatively equal. It stands to reason that a Procede would tip the balance toward the 335i.

I think it's a bit more than just tip.. I was thinking more along the lines of POUR

SGP335i · 07-05-2007, 05:12 PM

If they are even almost equal stock than wouldn't it be safe to say that adding 60 whp with the Procede would blow away a stock M3??

SGP335i · 07-05-2007, 05:13 PM

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I think it's a bit more than just tip.. I was thinking more along the lines of POUR

Got there just before me...

E90ice · 07-05-2007, 05:14 PM

I have raced a stock M3 from a 60mph roll with my Procede'ed 335, and to be honest there isin't much contest.

I don't know about modded M3's....

mingrygt · 07-05-2007, 05:18 PM

I ran one with exhaust and a chip, from about 60 to 120 and was ahead about 3-4 cars at the end. my car has a proceed

derryck · 07-05-2007, 05:44 PM

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I ran one with exhaust and a chip, from about 60 to 120 and was ahead about 3-4 cars at the end. my car has a proceed

There isn't really a chip for the M3...I assume you're talking about software which doesn't add any power.

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What are the figures?

What figures?

mingrygt · 07-05-2007, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by derryck

There isn't really a chip for the M3...I assume you're talking about software which doesn't add any power.

What figures?

I was just quoting what the guy in the car said.

IMJUSS2NASTY · 07-05-2007, 06:23 PM

I pulled 5 cars ahead of a 02 m3.

1clean335i · 07-05-2007, 07:17 PM

i've pulled on m3's with my tt

Garrett · 07-05-2007, 07:47 PM

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i've pulled on m3's with my tt

Where is Walked U vids...? His profile doesnt list any vids

scalbert · 07-05-2007, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by derryck

Up to 80mph or so they are neck and neck from a dig...the 335 has a slight advantage at lower speed roll ons where as the M3 has the advantage at higher speeds.

I would concur...

I was next to an M3 recently and we both were unsure of the plans of either. He got on it though and then lifted slightly as I got on it. That lift was enough to put him back by about 1.5 lengths from 30 to about 80 with me still pulling. Had he stayed in it things would have been different but the M3 is certainly more sensitive to what gear it is in.

bnj · 07-06-2007, 04:48 AM

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What figures?

Regarding the possibility of M3 being a bit stronger after about 100mph. Figures like acceleration from 100 to 150 in seconds or something.

M3 has peakier power delivery and on average at slow speeds the applied power to the ground is not much different between 335i and e46 M3. At high speeds M3 can deploy its high hp on the dynocurve constantly, because the higher gears are more close to each other. However, I would think that e92 335 is slightly more aerodynamic which should compensate this in high speeds. That's why I'm interested if there is a real data from high speeds or if this just a feeling of being faster.

derryck · 07-06-2007, 08:23 AM

I haven't had my 335i to the track yet but M3 traps pretty consistently at 110-111mph which is about where I expect my 335i to be trapping when I make it to Gainesville.

Insider · 07-06-2007, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by derryck

Up to 80mph or so they are neck and neck from a dig...the 335 has a slight advantage at lower speed roll ons where as the M3 has the advantage at higher speeds. I have an M3 with intake, full exhaust, coil-overs, software and it's about 250 lbs. lighter than stock and it's around 320RWHP. I also have a 6MT 335i sedan w/ just a Procede (v.1.45) at the moment and my M3 is a bit stronger after about 100mph or so.

You got 320 RWHP on your M3 from exhaust and intake? M3 puts out 270-80 RWHP stock, so I don't see how your picking up 50 crank HP form those light mods you listed.

BMWDavid · 07-06-2007, 08:59 AM

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Regarding the possibility of M3 being a bit stronger after about 100mph. Figures like acceleration from 100 to 150 in seconds or something.

M3 has peakier power delivery and on average at slow speeds the applied power to the ground is not much different between 335i and e46 M3. At high speeds M3 can deploy its high hp on the dynocurve constantly, because the higher gears are more close to each other. However, I would think that e92 335 is slightly more aerodynamic which should compensate this in high speeds. That's why I'm interested if there is a real data from high speeds or if this just a feeling of being faster.

Aerodynamic drag coefficient:
e46 M3 .33
e92 335 .30

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