Fully intact owners in this thread

E85 Sport · 12-08-2022, 07:34 PM

There are plenty of FAQs devoted to deletes. I want to hear from owners who have kept their systems intact.

What have you replaced?
When did it fail?
How much did it cost?

Example 1:
Part: SCR metering valve (aka DEF Injector)
Failure: code xxxxx
Miles: 167k miles
Cost including parts and labor: $85, DIY installation

Example 2:
Part: EGR Cooler
Failure: coolant leak, code xxxxx
Miles: 60k miles
Cost including parts & labor: $500, professional installation

Are you tuned or stock?

Tambohamilton · 12-30-2022, 05:51 PM

Fully intact here, but also fully European/UK 330d, so no def to worry about. Only part I've replaced so far is the intake manifold...

Part: Intake manifold
Failure: leaking swirl flaps, and small rubber bits flaking off internally
Miles: 145k miles
Cost including parts & labor: £130ish, self install, new Febi part (not OE)

Part: Glow plugs and controller
Failure: 1 of 6 glow plugs operational, replaced the module to be sure it was one and done
Miles: 125k miles
Cost: Can't remember, DIY. OEM parts.

POBEP · 01-09-2023, 05:33 AM

E70 35d, 104K miles
(original owner)

Part: Air Mass Sensor
Failure: code 4268
Miles: 34K miles
Cost including parts and labor: $0/Warranty

Part: #6 injector
Failure: rough engine start
Miles: 36K
Cost including parts and labor: $0/Warranty

Part: EGT sensor
Failure: code 46F2
Miles: 47K
Cost including parts and labor: $0/Warranty

Part: Both NOx sesnsors
Failure: code 4D16
Miles: 76K
Cost including parts and labor: $0/Warranty

Part: Thermostat(s)
Failure: 80C temps
Miles: 79K
Cost including parts and labor: $293/DIY

Part: SCR Cat
Failure: code 4D16
Miles: 80K
Cost including parts and labor: $0/Warranty

Part: Trunk Tail Lights Seals (both) & Right Bulb Socket
Failure: water leak/no light
Miles: 103K
Cost including parts and labor: $80/DIY

335d
(4th owner)
147K miles

before my ownership
100K SCR Tank - $0/warranty
110K harmonic balancer, thermostat - $3,000K
120K Glow Plug Module & Plugs - $2,000K

since my ownership
131K Glow Plug Module - $140/DIY
131K Trunk Struts - $30/DIY
131K Trunk Boot - $7/DIY
131K Windshield Pump - $20/DIY
131K Rear window seal - $60/DIY
138K New Windshield - $270/local shop (past repair + crack during mirror installation)
144K SCR Delivery Module - $172/DIY (broken nipple due to faulty SCR Tank replacement by BMW)
146K Rear Right Wheel Bearing - $1,000/local shop

E85 Sport · 03-13-2023, 02:12 PM

Any other fully intact owners want to chime in?

vester86 · 03-13-2023, 05:50 PM

i bought a (to my knowledge) fully intact EU 330D (m57). had the EGR replaced at +/ 200k km, original DP/DPF.
Glow plugs & module changed imidiately after purchase
same for front & rear gas struts for boot&bonnet.

complete suspension & almost every arms are replaced @ 215k km

went from 15 fault codes after purchase to 2 fault codes now (AUC sensor and a DPF warning over 200k km) no sweat

Tambohamilton · 03-13-2023, 07:16 PM

What's the dpf warning? Same situation here, but no warning...?

vester86 · 03-14-2023, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tambohamilton

What's the dpf warning? Same situation here, but no warning...?

452A fault code. no error in idrive or cluster, only when reading codes.
bimmerlink (readout dongle software) says 55000km remaining on the same DPF so no worry for the next year or 2

Tambohamilton · 03-14-2023, 06:19 PM

Hmm, maybe I reset mine already then, because I'm at 155k miles and only the windscreen misting sensor error showing. Dpf seems healthy enough anyhow

leo_du_garde · 03-14-2023, 08:34 PM

Original owner. Bought new. Now at 202k miles. All stock. No delete. Engine never opened. Still runs like brand new. No carbon issues that I noticed or know of.

Main issues have been emissions related. DEF tank failed twice. Once at 75k (covered under warranty) and once toward 175k (paid out of pocket). Replaced catalytic converter once around 120k and DPF around 190k as it reached end of life based on mileage counter.

Other replacements have been fairly normal / wear and tear / expected with miles. Engine mounts, harmonic balancer, belts, suspension parts, intake housing and hoses, rear wheel bearings, turbo lines, water pump, battery, etc. preventatively replaced swirl flaps around 190k.

Over lifetime to date (12 years), about $1.5-2k / year to maintain the car in top condition.

Otherwise knock on wood rock solid car. Have a 2013 X5d also m57 engine, 170k miles, with similar trends.

E85 Sport · 03-14-2023, 09:23 PM

leo_du_garde - thank you for sharing. Why did you choose to replace the DPF rather than having it cleaned and reinstalled?

Tambohamilton · 03-15-2023, 02:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leo_du_garde

Replaced catalytic converter once around 120k and DPF around 190k as it reached end of life based on mileage counter.

Aren't the cat and dpf the same part? I'm not aware that they can be replaced separately?

Captain Buumer · 03-19-2023, 03:12 PM

2nd owner of car.

About 100k km driven.

I had dpf error at one point saying it is clogged, can't regen but then i started using liqui moly fuel additives, forced regen and it fixed DPF.

Couple years later i changed pressure sensor for DPF because it once threw wrong pressure error code.

I use fuel additive every 2nd fillup and i've replaced nothing in the engine during 5 years of ownership apart from the oil/filters.

The diesel is so poor quality nowdays, need to add some additives so it burns cleaner resulting less soot and less problems with injectors/EGR/sensors.

I first started using additives in -20 degree winter and it made cold starts way better. Possibly my injectors were about to get clogged or something.

Tambohamilton · 03-19-2023, 04:03 PM

Which additive(s) do you use?

I use millers diesel power ecomax, which is mainly 2ehn (cetane booster). Once I'm done with this bottle I think I'll just buy pure 2ehn and run that instead. I think it helps fuel economy, especially with supermarket diesel (which I tend to avoid generally anyhow). Also might help with smooth running when cold, but that may be just confirmation bias...

https://www.millersoils.co.uk/produc...-power-ecomax/

Captain Buumer · 03-21-2023, 01:23 PM

This i use every 2nd fillup:
https://www.liqui-moly.com/en/system...0034.html#5139

This i use every 4th fillup:
https://www.liqui-moly.com/en/diesel...0035.html#5148

At my work M57 is quite popular choice for car engine and while some of them have had problems with injectors/DPF i was quite surprised and at the same time not.
None of them use the additives because they think they don't work - fuel is enough why spend extra.

Ha, i guess i change my mind when injector fails, will it?

Tambohamilton · 03-21-2023, 05:18 PM

Good to know, thanks.

The first one is basically 2ehn mixed with paraffin probably about 20/80%. The paraffin has no effect in the fuel system (except maybe increasing the lubricity of the fuel?), I think, so it's basically a cetane booster like the millers that I use.

The second one is mainly paraffin, but with a carboxylic acid mixed in. Not sure what that does and how it works... I am certainly not a chemist!

POBEP · 03-29-2023, 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tambohamilton

Aren't the cat and dpf the same part? I'm not aware that they can be replaced separately?

NA 335d/x5d has two cats.
EU - one

1) DOC - built into the one unit with DPF.
2) SCR Cat - middle of exhaust section. this one gets poisoned by bad NOx sensors and eventually fails.

E85 Sport · 10-19-2023, 03:01 AM

Bump for intact owners.

12-08-2022, 07:34 PM	#1
E85 Sport who is this noob 40 Rep 193 Posts Drives: from Spartanburg Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: The Evergreen State iTrader: (0)	Fully intact owners in this thread There are plenty of FAQs devoted to deletes. I want to hear from owners who have kept their systems intact. What have you replaced? When did it fail? How much did it cost? Example 1: Part: SCR metering valve (aka DEF Injector) Failure: code xxxxx Miles: 167k miles Cost including parts and labor: $85, DIY installation Example 2: Part: EGR Cooler Failure: coolant leak, code xxxxx Miles: 60k miles Cost including parts & labor: $500, professional installation Are you tuned or stock?
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12-30-2022, 05:51 PM	#2
Tambohamilton Brigadier General 3058 Rep 3,910 Posts Drives: E91 330d Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: Herefordshire iTrader: (0)	Fully intact here, but also fully European/UK 330d, so no def to worry about. Only part I've replaced so far is the intake manifold... Part: Intake manifold Failure: leaking swirl flaps, and small rubber bits flaking off internally Miles: 145k miles Cost including parts & labor: £130ish, self install, new Febi part (not OE) Part: Glow plugs and controller Failure: 1 of 6 glow plugs operational, replaced the module to be sure it was one and done Miles: 125k miles Cost: Can't remember, DIY. OEM parts. Last edited by Tambohamilton; 03-13-2023 at 07:15 PM..
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01-09-2023, 05:33 AM	#3
POBEP Lieutenant 367 Rep 553 Posts Drives: E70 E90 E91 Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Christmas Valley, CA iTrader: (0) Garage List 2011 E90 335d [9.33] 2013 E70 xDrive35d [5.00] 2009 E91 328i [10.00] 2016 F25 xDrive28d [0.00]	E70 35d, 104K miles (original owner) Part: Air Mass Sensor Failure: code 4268 Miles: 34K miles Cost including parts and labor: $0/Warranty Part: #6 injector Failure: rough engine start Miles: 36K Cost including parts and labor: $0/Warranty Part: EGT sensor Failure: code 46F2 Miles: 47K Cost including parts and labor: $0/Warranty Part: Both NOx sesnsors Failure: code 4D16 Miles: 76K Cost including parts and labor: $0/Warranty Part: Thermostat(s) Failure: 80C temps Miles: 79K Cost including parts and labor: $293/DIY Part: SCR Cat Failure: code 4D16 Miles: 80K Cost including parts and labor: $0/Warranty Part: Trunk Tail Lights Seals (both) & Right Bulb Socket Failure: water leak/no light Miles: 103K Cost including parts and labor: $80/DIY 335d (4th owner) 147K miles before my ownership 100K SCR Tank - $0/warranty 110K harmonic balancer, thermostat - $3,000K 120K Glow Plug Module & Plugs - $2,000K since my ownership 131K Glow Plug Module - $140/DIY 131K Trunk Struts - $30/DIY 131K Trunk Boot - $7/DIY 131K Windshield Pump - $20/DIY 131K Rear window seal - $60/DIY 138K New Windshield - $270/local shop (past repair + crack during mirror installation) 144K SCR Delivery Module - $172/DIY (broken nipple due to faulty SCR Tank replacement by BMW) 146K Rear Right Wheel Bearing - $1,000/local shop __________________
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03-13-2023, 02:12 PM	#4
E85 Sport who is this noob 40 Rep 193 Posts Drives: from Spartanburg Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: The Evergreen State iTrader: (0)	Any other fully intact owners want to chime in?
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03-14-2023, 06:19 PM	#8
Tambohamilton Brigadier General 3058 Rep 3,910 Posts Drives: E91 330d Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: Herefordshire iTrader: (0)	Hmm, maybe I reset mine already then, because I'm at 155k miles and only the windscreen misting sensor error showing. Dpf seems healthy enough anyhow
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03-13-2023, 05:50 PM	#5
vester86 Second Lieutenant 92 Rep 221 Posts Drives: BMW 330D '08 Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Europe iTrader: (0)	i bought a (to my knowledge) fully intact EU 330D (m57). had the EGR replaced at +/ 200k km, original DP/DPF. Glow plugs & module changed imidiately after purchase same for front & rear gas struts for boot&bonnet. complete suspension & almost every arms are replaced @ 215k km went from 15 fault codes after purchase to 2 fault codes now (AUC sensor and a DPF warning over 200k km) no sweat
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03-13-2023, 07:16 PM	#6
Tambohamilton Brigadier General 3058 Rep 3,910 Posts Drives: E91 330d Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: Herefordshire iTrader: (0)	What's the dpf warning? Same situation here, but no warning...?
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03-14-2023, 08:34 PM	#9
leo_du_garde Private 29 Rep 52 Posts Drives: X5, 335d, 335i Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Annapolis, Maryland iTrader: (0)	Original owner. Bought new. Now at 202k miles. All stock. No delete. Engine never opened. Still runs like brand new. No carbon issues that I noticed or know of. Main issues have been emissions related. DEF tank failed twice. Once at 75k (covered under warranty) and once toward 175k (paid out of pocket). Replaced catalytic converter once around 120k and DPF around 190k as it reached end of life based on mileage counter. Other replacements have been fairly normal / wear and tear / expected with miles. Engine mounts, harmonic balancer, belts, suspension parts, intake housing and hoses, rear wheel bearings, turbo lines, water pump, battery, etc. preventatively replaced swirl flaps around 190k. Over lifetime to date (12 years), about $1.5-2k / year to maintain the car in top condition. Otherwise knock on wood rock solid car. Have a 2013 X5d also m57 engine, 170k miles, with similar trends.
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03-14-2023, 09:23 PM	#10
E85 Sport who is this noob 40 Rep 193 Posts Drives: from Spartanburg Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: The Evergreen State iTrader: (0)	leo_du_garde - thank you for sharing. Why did you choose to replace the DPF rather than having it cleaned and reinstalled?
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03-19-2023, 03:12 PM	#12
Captain Buumer Second Lieutenant 126 Rep 246 Posts Drives: 325D Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Europe iTrader: (0)	2nd owner of car. About 100k km driven. I had dpf error at one point saying it is clogged, can't regen but then i started using liqui moly fuel additives, forced regen and it fixed DPF. Couple years later i changed pressure sensor for DPF because it once threw wrong pressure error code. I use fuel additive every 2nd fillup and i've replaced nothing in the engine during 5 years of ownership apart from the oil/filters. The diesel is so poor quality nowdays, need to add some additives so it burns cleaner resulting less soot and less problems with injectors/EGR/sensors. I first started using additives in -20 degree winter and it made cold starts way better. Possibly my injectors were about to get clogged or something. Last edited by Captain Buumer; 03-19-2023 at 03:20 PM..
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03-19-2023, 04:03 PM	#13
Tambohamilton Brigadier General 3058 Rep 3,910 Posts Drives: E91 330d Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: Herefordshire iTrader: (0)	Which additive(s) do you use? I use millers diesel power ecomax, which is mainly 2ehn (cetane booster). Once I'm done with this bottle I think I'll just buy pure 2ehn and run that instead. I think it helps fuel economy, especially with supermarket diesel (which I tend to avoid generally anyhow). Also might help with smooth running when cold, but that may be just confirmation bias... https://www.millersoils.co.uk/produc...-power-ecomax/
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03-21-2023, 01:23 PM	#14
Captain Buumer Second Lieutenant 126 Rep 246 Posts Drives: 325D Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Europe iTrader: (0)	This i use every 2nd fillup: https://www.liqui-moly.com/en/system...0034.html#5139 This i use every 4th fillup: https://www.liqui-moly.com/en/diesel...0035.html#5148 At my work M57 is quite popular choice for car engine and while some of them have had problems with injectors/DPF i was quite surprised and at the same time not. None of them use the additives because they think they don't work - fuel is enough why spend extra. Ha, i guess i change my mind when injector fails, will it?
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03-21-2023, 05:18 PM	#15
Tambohamilton Brigadier General 3058 Rep 3,910 Posts Drives: E91 330d Join Date: Apr 2019 Location: Herefordshire iTrader: (0)	Good to know, thanks. The first one is basically 2ehn mixed with paraffin probably about 20/80%. The paraffin has no effect in the fuel system (except maybe increasing the lubricity of the fuel?), I think, so it's basically a cetane booster like the millers that I use. The second one is mainly paraffin, but with a carboxylic acid mixed in. Not sure what that does and how it works... I am certainly not a chemist!
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10-19-2023, 03:01 AM	#17
E85 Sport who is this noob 40 Rep 193 Posts Drives: from Spartanburg Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: The Evergreen State iTrader: (0)	Bump for intact owners.
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