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      07-02-2021, 07:26 PM   #4907
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Cheers dave92N54 for the info

So all being said has anyone got opinions on where I should start?
Should I do a few more logs & get some more data regarding HPFP & LPFP also HB e90 said about my IAT'S being high is this something i should also keep a eye on? I was researching on IAT'S earlier & mine seem pretty safe as the highest mine went on either log was 113f. I must add i let the car warm up first & them done my pulls/logs I'm not sure if that means anything.

Iv also got new injector clips & seals coming as I don't think they have been changed. I will also look for leaks while pulling injectors.

But if anyone has anymore input on this would be appreciated.

I will update tomorrow with another data log & some more data from HPFP & LPFP
Its not that your IAT's are that high. It's that they climb quite a lot from the start of the pull to the end of the pull. If you have a good efficient intercooler they shouldn't climb too much on a 3rd gear pull. When I started tuning I had the stock IC and I saw it climb worse than yours but your IAT climbs more then it should with an upgraded IC. Here's a log on a 3rd gear pull I did recently for comparison.
https://datazap.me/u/curt/back-90-2-...data=3-5-15-22
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That's definitely an interesting one. Please quote this if it ever goes back down again, really curious about this tbh.
Sorry about the delay, I've been out of town for a bit. So what I'm assuming is happening is the EKPM is just getting hot due to the lpfp upgrade and not being able to consistently keep up with the demand. After driving for longer periods of time the lpfp will drop and once I turn the car off and the EKPM has a chance to cool off the lpfp will shoot back up. I'm gonna look into some fixes for this but I finally get some new logs up however I'm having a hard time getting the car to get remotely close to the target boost and she is a bit sluggish building. I'm going to do another boost leak test today but I've replaced every vacuum line and both solenoids since it was all old and crusty anyways and I've test the wastegates to make sure they are closing all the way. I'll upload the most current log if someone wants to take a look.

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      07-03-2021, 08:45 AM   #4909
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Its not that your IAT's are that high. It's that they climb quite a lot from the start of the pull to the end of the pull. If you have a good efficient intercooler they shouldn't climb too much on a 3rd gear pull. When I started tuning I had the stock IC and I saw it climb worse than yours but your IAT climbs more then it should with an upgraded IC. Here's a log on a 3rd gear pull I did recently for comparison.
https://datazap.me/u/curt/back-90-2-...data=3-5-15-22
Thanks EB E90 I see exactly what your saying now. Do you have any recommendations for good Fmics? Iv been looking at a Forge one since the conversation about IAT's came up.
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When i think i have some injectors problem and my car is burbling too much, it sounds exactly like that without MHD burbles like the guy in the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tvxp5xlptOk

Is it normal or not? my car has no downpipe cats, and no secondary cats, but it still have a BMW PE silencer at the end. But it burbles crazy....
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      07-04-2021, 10:11 PM   #4911
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https://datazap.me/u/gster/4th-gear-log

4th gear pull

Concerned with the HPFP pressure dropping as the RPM's climb, anyone have input?

Thanks in adavance.
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      07-05-2021, 02:39 AM   #4912
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4th gear pull

Concerned with the HPFP pressure dropping as the RPM's climb, anyone have input?

Thanks in adavance.
That's fine, your HPFP drops to around 2000psi on WOT, nothing wrong with that.

It's when it drops to 1500psi or less that you need to be concerned.

Looks like you may have some sort of a small boost leak though,
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4th gear pull

Concerned with the HPFP pressure dropping as the RPM's climb, anyone have input?

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Thats normal, it stayed above 2k. Next time do a 3rd gear pull to at least 6k rpm and lets see it then. Otherwise the log looks pretty clean to me but I didnt look at everything.
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4th gear pull

Concerned with the HPFP pressure dropping as the RPM's climb, anyone have input?

Thanks in adavance.
HPFP looks normal. Interestingly enough, your rail pressure vs boost curve looks exactly like mine. I've seen them look different before, but ours are almost identical (and by this I mean initial spike in rail pressure and then slow decrease to around 2k, and boost being off by about 1psi in the mid range). I've come to the conclusion the boost may be wastegates, when I installed my new boost solenoids and tightened my wastegates it stopped doing it for about 2 days.
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Hey guys, long time lurker of the forums, new to posting. Before I even mention anything I just wanna say I appreciate any of you who will take the time to help, means the world to me.

Recently, like a day or two ago, my car went from sometimes overboosting over target on MHD 2+ to boosting 1-2 pounds under target. Not sure why it happened, I could physically feel the car feel a little bit more held back. My initial worry was compression and/or turbos, so I bought a compression tester which I will use today to figure out if my engine is healthy. The turbos were a concern because during the transition from a stop to low speeds I see a small puff of smoke out of the left pipe whenever I’m watching someone else drive away in my car. I decided to log my car before testing or changing anything and did 2 pulls in 3rd gear from around 2-2.5K RPM to redline. Here is the link : https://datazap.me/u/farazt123/tryna...og=0&data=3-16

Right about where boost first loads in, right after I stamp the throttle, the car will start pulsing, or hesitating, like it’s missing, but I don’t get any codes other than 2C7B which I believe is my downpipe O2 sensor going out, but it never threw a light so I figured it’s unrelated. At the same time it starts pulsing, rail pressure drops, all my cylinders get timing corrections, low pressure fuel pump starts acting weird, fuel trims go down. By the end of the WOT pull it seems like my LPFP touches 50PSI. I was desperately hoping this was my cause since it would mean a lot cheaper than an engine or turbos. If any of you are willing to go back to a log on my account that is called HPFP testing, you’ll see I did another pull, not sure if I did it properly but it seems like my LPFP doesn’t go anywhere near as low. Thanks again! Sorry for the huge post.

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https://datazap.me/u/farazt123/tryna...og=0&data=3-16

Weird hesitation right after I open up throttle, cars boosting 1-2 psi under target after a few months of boosting over target sometimes. Haven’t done compression test yet, will today, but logs make me think potentially a LPFP.

Edit : did a compression test and here are my numbers.
Cyl #6 160 psi
Cyl #5 165 psi
Cyl #4 165 psi
Cyl #3 165 psi
Cyl #2 165 psi
Cyl #1 170 psi

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Hey guys, long time lurker of the forums, new to posting. Before I even mention anything I just wanna say I appreciate any of you who will take the time to help, means the world to me.

Recently, like a day or two ago, my car went from sometimes overboosting over target on MHD 2+ to boosting 1-2 pounds under target. Not sure why it happened, I could physically feel the car feel a little bit more held back. My initial worry was compression and/or turbos, so I bought a compression tester which I will use today to figure out if my engine is healthy. The turbos were a concern because during the transition from a stop to low speeds I see a small puff of smoke out of the left pipe whenever Iím watching someone else drive away in my car. I decided to log my car before testing or changing anything and did 2 pulls in 3rd gear from around 2-2.5K RPM to redline. Here is the link : https://datazap.me/u/farazt123/tryna...og=0&data=3-16

Right about where boost first loads in, right after I stamp the throttle, the car will start pulsing, or hesitating, like itís missing, but I donít get any codes other than 2C7B which I believe is my downpipe O2 sensor going out, but it never threw a light so I figured itís unrelated. At the same time it starts pulsing, rail pressure drops, all my cylinders get timing corrections, low pressure fuel pump starts acting weird, fuel trims go down. By the end of the WOT pull it seems like my LPFP touches 50PSI. I was desperately hoping this was my cause since it would mean a lot cheaper than an engine or turbos. If any of you are willing to go back to a log on my account that is called HPFP testing, youíll see I did another pull, not sure if I did it properly but it seems like my LPFP doesnít go anywhere near as low. Thanks again! Sorry for the huge post.

TLDR;

https://datazap.me/u/farazt123/tryna...og=0&data=3-16

Weird hesitation right after I open up throttle, cars boosting 1-2 psi under target after a few months of boosting over target sometimes. Havenít done compression test yet, will today, but logs make me think potentially a LPFP.

Edit : did a compression test and here are my numbers.
Cyl #6 160 psi
Cyl #5 165 psi
Cyl #4 165 psi
Cyl #3 165 psi
Cyl #2 165 psi
Cyl #1 170 psi
Your HPFP doesn't drop below 2000psi, that's healthy. Concern is when it drops below 1500psi. Your LPFP could be weak but it also doesn't drop below 50Psi. I don't think either of them are causing your boost fluctuations or off target issues.

It could be your boost solenoids playing up causing the boost fluctuations, also looks like you have a boost leak, as your WGDC is climbing to 80%+ and only reaching around 13psi.

Have you changed your vacuum lines recently? If not, a good idea to change them, Check charge pipe, DV connections, vacumn canister connection points for any cracks, FMIC connections.

You could also do a smoke test to help point out any possible leaks.
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      07-06-2021, 10:19 PM   #4917
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How do these logs look?

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      07-07-2021, 02:53 AM   #4918
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Hey, im runing 335is st2+ with mhd map. Can You please take a look on log ? I can see some timing corrections, but is that something I should worry about ?

https://datazap.me/u/nerfy/st2-102-o...?log=0&data=20

You can see overboost at begining, because I have custom turbo inlets, when map is created for stocks.
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Hey, im runing 335is st2+ with mhd map. Can You please take a look on log ? I can see some timing corrections, but is that something I should worry about ?

https://datazap.me/u/nerfy/st2-102-o...?log=0&data=20

You can see overboost at begining, because I have custom turbo inlets, when map is created for stocks.
Since when was MHD v10 maps released? Looks good! But like you said bit too much knock. What fuel you running? I'd try running the 93oct map
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Since when was MHD v10 maps released? Looks good! But like you said bit too much knock. What fuel you running? I'd try running the 93oct map
Well its not yet, I just asked Ken for some adjustments in map, because I had problem with one faliture, so lets say for now is a "custom" and he just asked me for feedback. Fuel was RON 100 on map for 102 so maybe thats why there are knocks.
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^ beta tester? Things to come? Yea I would run the 93oct map if I were you.
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Your HPFP doesn't drop below 2000psi, that's healthy. Concern is when it drops below 1500psi. Your LPFP could be weak but it also doesn't drop below 50Psi. I don't think either of them are causing your boost fluctuations or off target issues.

It could be your boost solenoids playing up causing the boost fluctuations, also looks like you have a boost leak, as your WGDC is climbing to 80%+ and only reaching around 13psi.

Have you changed your vacuum lines recently? If not, a good idea to change them, Check charge pipe, DV connections, vacumn canister connection points for any cracks, FMIC connections.

You could also do a smoke test to help point out any possible leaks.
Thank you so much for your input! My LPFP has always concerned me a bit but if 50 is the safe threshold Iíll leave it for now. Iím planning on going to a custom tune soon and I want to stitch all these issues up before then. I will be replacing vac lines tomorrow as I havenít done them as the second owner of the car and I donít think the first owner has either. Iíll check my DV and charge pipe connections as Iíve blown my charge pipe coupler clean off the pipe before. Iím hoping itís just a vac line to a wastegate thatís splitting. Once vac lines are swapped and I check all the connections, if itís still happening Iíll see if I can vac test my solenoids. Is there any way to test them without a vac tool? I would like to avoid buying one if possible
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Thank you so much for your input! My LPFP has always concerned me a bit but if 50 is the safe threshold Iíll leave it for now. Iím planning on going to a custom tune soon and I want to stitch all these issues up before then. I will be replacing vac lines tomorrow as I havenít done them as the second owner of the car and I donít think the first owner has either. Iíll check my DV and charge pipe connections as Iíve blown my charge pipe coupler clean off the pipe before. Iím hoping itís just a vac line to a wastegate thatís splitting. Once vac lines are swapped and I check all the connections, if itís still happening Iíll see if I can vac test my solenoids. Is there any way to test them without a vac tool? I would like to avoid buying one if possible
Not really sure how else to test them to be honest.

I hope you already have a Metal charge pipe, stock ones will eventually crack/blow especially when you are tuned.

Wastegates could also be playing up, if they aren't staying shut properly etc, but do one thing at a time to rule them out.
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Can anyone help me with my log & help translate what everything means , if there is inconsitincy somweherre can you point it out, Car is 2009 Sedan 335i Upgraded chargge pipe, & DCI , i also added an oil catch can & walnut blast, with upgraded pvc valve.

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Can anyone help me with my log & help translate what everything means , if there is inconsitincy somweherre can you point it out, Car is 2009 Sedan 335i Upgraded chargge pipe, & DCI , i also added an oil catch can & walnut blast, with upgraded pvc valve.

https://datazap.me/u/carlos-lopez/lo...7-8-9-10-11-14
Hi,

Your log is missing a lot of logging important parameters.

I guess you can reset the logging values to default in the MHD app.

So you will have to make a new log as well
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I can definitely say the stock downpipes hide it a lot. I'd never heard any at all either, first startup with my downpipes and I went "You're fucking kidding meÖ". I don't think the issue is your wastegates though, I could totally be wrong of course.

Looking at the logs on my computer now.

So looking at them, I don't want to say wastegates bc if they weren't seating properly, your boost would not be as steady as it is once you hit target. It my take you a while to hit target but after that you're right on target to redline. To me it looks almost like their is some kind of restriction causing slow spool. Are you on stock airbox? (I'd be really curious to see how you'd do with downpipes. I almost want to say like a clogged cat but you'd likely have bigger issues).

Your WGDC is also kind of high once you hit target. I too run 1+ and looking at my last log on datazap, once I hit target (only takes me 300rpm) my WGDC sits around 45-50 while yours is at 63 pretty much the whole way after you hit target. Normally a higher WGDC may indicate a boost leak but unless this is some leak that is sealing itself back up under enough boost, I doubt it. At this point i'd probably start by checking vacuum coming out of the canisters, if it's steady and around 20 or above i'd suggest trying to test your boost solenoids. If your wastegate vacuum lines haven't been changed, i'd do it. The rear is really easy and tbh I found the front fairly easy with the canisters removed. Took me probably 20 minutes to replace the front line, including canister removal. Just use some silicone lube on the lines and they slide on pretty easy.
UPDATE:

Car has been at a German Performance shop getting down pipes installed. I shared the logs with them. They state there is no fuel issue, that there is a boost leak in some of the wastegate hoses, they will replace them while doing the downpipes. Overall the car checks out very well.
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Can anyone help me with my log & help translate what everything means , if there is inconsitincy somweherre can you point it out, Car is 2009 Sedan 335i Upgraded chargge pipe, & DCI , i also added an oil catch can & walnut blast, with upgraded pvc valve.

https://datazap.me/u/carlos-lopez/lo...7-8-9-10-11-14
Hi,

Your log is missing a lot of logging important parameters.

I guess you can reset the logging values to default in the MHD app.

So you will have to make a new log as well
Thanks I just did I will take for a drive and post a new log
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Can anyone help me with my log & help translate what everything means , if there is inconsitincy somweherre can you point it out, Car is 2009 Sedan 335i Upgraded chargge pipe, & DCI , i also added an oil catch can & walnut blast, with upgraded pvc valve.

https://datazap.me/u/carlos-lopez/lo...7-8-9-10-11-14
Hi,

Your log is missing a lot of logging important parameters.

I guess you can reset the logging values to default in the MHD app.

So you will have to make a new log as well
Thanks I just did I will take for a drive and post a new log

Here you go , I really appreciate it any feedback little history on this car , I bought it at a fair price from a mature lady that kept it stock, always kept the maintenance on it , I have had it since April it's amazing ! I've never been push back on a car from the acceleration!! I've so far have replaced the cover gasket , upgraded the pvc valve when I did a walnut blast , also added an oil catch can, DCI chargepipe is replaced to an aluminum one but ima going to replace it with one without the DV Valves and add a Tial bov, , the transmission was rebuilt and flashed with stage 2 XHP , rear fuel sending unit was leaking and car smelled like gas that's been changed , I have index7 injectors and just bought 6 index 12"s going to be installed this week , could where changed spark plugs changed it's flashed on stage 1 Mhd tune on 93 octane,replaced some vacuum lines , one thing I noticed is that after the tune I hear the woooosh sound as if I have a bov valve but I don't !

Thanks im hoping to keep the car as I love it ! Sure is an amazing car to drive !! I will post my progress here as there is a lot I'm gonna do to this car.


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