[boosted]

275-285 WHP range seems would be a corrected figure for 335i. Say with 16% drivetrain loss it (275 / .84) = 327 OR (285 / .84) = 339 HP. In fact, that is the same range stock E46 M3 have posted.

However, 335i has 40 ft. lbs TORQUE advantage "at the wheels" over M3. Still, despite that figure M3 runs same numbers with 335i (mag times).

335i extra weight and gearing differences

[Pretender]

So far 275whp has been the consistent number. Some got 265whp while other got a little >280whp. However, no number or dyno on crank hp showed more than 300bhp. So we talk about whp only here since 330-340 crank hp was just "estimated" number based on 18-20% loss to the wheel from the 275whp. Also, it's comparable with the E46 M3, but got outrun by M3 on few head to head races. Bottom line, it never has any chance to beat a M3 and will never do in stock configurations. I hope this helps.

[poldim]

Originally Posted by boosted

275-285 WHP range seems would be a corrected figure for 335i. Say with 16% drivetrain loss it (275 / .84) = 327 OR (285 / .84) = 339 HP. In fact, that is the same range stock E46 M3 have posted.

However, 335i has 40 ft. lbs TORQUE advantage "at the wheels" over M3. Still, despite that figure M3 runs same numbers with 335i (mag times).

335i extra weight and gearing differences

275 is great for 300 advertised.

[Insider]

Well here is a dyno of the 335D (diesel). http://www.caranddriver.com/features...art-page2.html According to Car and Driver it puts down 232HP at the wheels. BMW rates it at 282HP at the engine. So it rates 18hp less at the engine compared to the 335i, according to BMW, but puts down about 40 less rear wheel HP then the 335i. So it looks like the 335i is indeed making about 320hp at the engine.

[Panoz]

In Europe its announced to be 306Hp while in all US documentary it says 300Hp.

Why so? Do they use different engines to different continents?
I cant get it.

[Clem]

Dyno #'s can be misleading. My current car, a 2005 Mustang GT dynoed stock at 247whp on a SuperFlow dyno which are considered to be quite stingy. A buddy of mine put down 266whp on a DynoJet. I walk him every time. Different dynos tell different stories.

[cedchung]

Originally Posted by Panoz

In Europe its announced to be 306Hp while in all US documentary it says 300Hp.

Why so? Do they use different engines to different continents?
I cant get it.

The US cars always have less HP.
like E46 M3 333 instead of 343 and E60 M5 500 instead of 507. I think it's because of the more restrictive exhaust due to stricter emissions.

[Pretender]

Originally Posted by cedchung

The US cars always have less HP.
like E46 M3 333 instead of 343 and E60 M5 500 instead of 507. I think it's because of the more restrictive exhaust due to stricter emissions.

Yeah, maybe these extra Cat in US version exhaust actually kill some hp.

[Fester]

Originally Posted by Pretender

.... Also, it's comparable with the E46 M3, but got outrun by M3 on few head to head races. Bottom line, it never has any chance to beat a M3 and will never do in stock configurations. I hope this helps.

No this doesn't help at all but makes the matter even worse. I am not aware of M3 outrunning 335i , can you post some links/references where this information is?

[Robin_NL]

Well I had a E46 M3 and I 'can' compare the 2 engines. The M3 is faster through gears a bit, throttle response is almost the best in the world(M3) apart from the McLaren F1 I haven't driven yet, LOL.

IRL the 335i is faster in a higher gear but not that much. The M3 feels faster(more sporty noises) and is faster in general(but not that much)

BECAUSE it has more BHP: 343 vs 306.

It's the turbotorque coming in at below 2000rpm what makes the 335i feel fast, it has a tiny bit of a turbolag(compared to my former E90 330i as well)

The 335i has a great modern relaxed engine, where the E46 M3 is more of and old school bonky racy revver.

The sheets we saw here are generally from car journalist mags with 330BHP etc etc.

Please give me some real life 335i customers sheets where we can see 330BHP crank, please?

[RiXst3r]

Originally Posted by Robin Hood

Please give me some real life 335i customers sheets where we can see 330BHP crank, please?

Please read some of these threads, there are plenty of real world dynos that show close to the same whp as an m3... check out shiv's baseline dynos.

[russ_777]

Originally Posted by Robin Hood

Well I had a E46 M3 and I 'can' compare the 2 engines. The M3 is faster through gears a bit, throttle response is almost the best in the world(M3) apart from the McLaren F1 I haven't driven yet, LOL.

IRL the 335i is faster in a higher gear but not that much. The M3 feels faster(more sporty noises) and is faster in general(but not that much)

BECAUSE it has more BHP: 343 vs 306.

M3 (manual)

Gear ratios in 1st, 2nd & 3rd
4.23:1/2.53:1/1.67:1

Final drive ratio - 3.64:1

335i (Manual)

4.06:1/2.40:1/1.58:1

FDR - 3.08:1

The M3 has significantly shorter gearing than the 335, which multiplies torque. The downside is that it gets significantly worse gas mileage and makes more noise because the engine runs faster at a given speed.

So no, a difference in peak HP is not the exclusive reason why an M3 slightly outruns a 335.

[Panoz]

Whatever is the case, the difference is so tiny that its actually depends on the driver..not the car

[Robin_NL]

Ok, then because a M3 has a shorter gearing and gets it's peak BHP at 7900 instead of 5800rpm(335i)ROFLOL and is lighter etc etc.

One thing stands: My stock M3 was a tiny bit faster than my stock 335i.

Sorry for you guys

But don't give me 'crappy' answers please...thank you

PS so my EU 335i must be slower than the rest here? Don't think so.

Who here has had/owned a M3?

Maybe then we can get things together instead of talking to the wind.
There was a Youtube movie of a M3 SMG vs a 335i somewhere.

?????

[russ_777]

Originally Posted by Robin Hood

Ok, then because a M3 has a shorter gearing and gets it's peak BHP at 7900 instead of 5800rpm(335i)ROFLOL and is lighter etc etc.

One thing stands: My stock M3 was a tiny bit faster than my stock 335i.

Sorry for you guys

But don't give me 'crappy' answers please...thank you

PS so my EU 335i must be slower than the rest here? Don't think so.

Who here has had/owned a M3?

Maybe then we can get things together instead of talking to the wind.
There was a Youtube movie of a M3 SMG vs a 335i somewhere.

?????

No one is "giving you crappy answers". You're being given facts. All but 1 of the dyno charts that have been posted here have nothing to do with automotive publications. Most of them showed the WHP of the 335 being within a few percent of that of the M3. The gearing in the two cars is factual - I got it straight from BMW's specs. Bottom line is that several publications have measured the acceleration of the 335 to be very close to that of the M3....like it or not.

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by russ_777

No one is "giving you crappy answers". You're being given facts. All but 1 of the dyno charts that have been posted here have nothing to do with automotive publications. Most of them showed the WHP of the 335 being within a few percent of that of the M3. The gearing in the two cars is factual - I got it straight from BMW's specs. Bottom line is that several publications have measured the acceleration of the 335 to be very close to that of the M3....like it or not.

That's true, fact are true but IRL some things are different and are more 'true' than 'facts on paper'
0-62 in 5.1 or 5.5 is a slight difference. 0-100 in 11.8 or 12.8 is a bigger difference 0-125(200kmh or so) in 17.2(?) or 19.something is even a bigger difference.

I just like you guys want the stock 335i to be as fast or faster than the E46 M3 I owned, but it isn't.Fact. Sorry. We're talking about several carlengths here....

I'm waiting on E46 M3 owner comments

(though my 335i is a great fast car and a lot cheaper )

[radgator1]

Originally Posted by Robin Hood

Ok, then because a M3 has a shorter gearing and gets it's peak BHP at 7900 instead of 5800rpm(335i)ROFLOL and is lighter etc etc.

One thing stands: My stock M3 was a tiny bit faster than my stock 335i.

Sorry for you guys

But don't give me 'crappy' answers please...thank you

PS so my EU 335i must be slower than the rest here? Don't think so.

Who here has had/owned a M3?

Maybe then we can get things together instead of talking to the wind.
There was a Youtube movie of a M3 SMG vs a 335i somewhere.

?????

I sold my M3 to buy 335i. They are pretty much equal, that is they Dyno to the same WHP, have pretty much the same 1/4 mile and trap speed, etc. Really no significant difference in straight line accelleration. See this thread:

http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showt...e46+stock+dyno

Divexxtreme is one of the moderators and owned 2 e46 m3's at the same time, one was one of the first AA Supercharged M3's and he had the fastest 1/4 mile time recorded (maybe still does, I haven't kept up since I sold my M3). He moved on to P-cars since but still moderates at M3forums and his opinion is even in stock form the 335i may prove to be a faster drag strip car but there have been way too few 1/4 mile runs to make a fair comparison yet.

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by radgator1

I sold my M3 to buy 335i. They are pretty much equal, that is they Dyno to the same WHP, have pretty much the same 1/4 mile and trap speed, etc. Really no significant difference in straight line accelleration. See this thread:

http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showt...e46+stock+dyno

Divexxtreme is one of the moderators and owned 2 e46 m3's at the same time, one was one of the first AA Supercharged M3's and he had the fastest 1/4 mile time recorded (maybe still does, I haven't kept up since I sold my M3). He moved on to P-cars since but still moderates at M3forums and his opinion is even in stock form the 335i may prove to be a faster drag strip car but there have been way too few 1/4 mile runs to make a fair comparison yet.

Thanx for the comment. Maybe my M3 was a CSL in disguise, LOL
I'm not running 1/4 mile things, so I don't know about those things(I'm a racing track guy)

[radgator1]

Originally Posted by Robin Hood

Thanx for the comment. Maybe my M3 was a CSL in disguise, LOL
I'm not running 1/4 mile things, so I don't know about those things(I'm a racing track guy)

Well euro M3's do have more HP because of the difference in cats/headers so it probably was faster, but a modded 335i will still smoke it in a straight line at least.

[BAMF]

Originally Posted by E90T

330-350 crank HP according to various dyno's and 4.8 seconds 0-60

i thought the 0-60 time for those is like 5.3 sec?

[RiXst3r]

Originally Posted by BAMF

i thought the 0-60 time for those is like 5.3 sec?

dont beleive everything bmw tells you

[poldim]

Originally Posted by RiXst3r

dont beleive everything anyone tells you

fixed.