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      06-21-2020, 03:58 PM   #1
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Joying 10.25" Android Head Unit Install - Non Idrive - Digital Audio Out & Carplay

Hi Guys,

So, I started with an Eonon unit a couple months ago. There were a number of pros & cons which I will lay out:

Pros:
  • BMW Specific Fitting & Harness
  • Cost Effective
  • Carplay Built In
  • Carplay Via Wire Loaded Very Quickly
  • Sound Quality Was Great
  • Apps Like Torque & Netflix Preloaded


Cons:
  • Screws for securing unit were too short and did not engage
  • Climate Control Relocation
  • New Location for Climate Control Doesn't Flow Well With Dash
  • Climate Control Must Be Physically Modified
  • Potential To Damage Dash Material
  • Unsecure Unit Is Safety Risk
  • Hardware Not Able To Keep Up With Unit 2gb Ram 32gb Storage
  • No Wireless Carplay Built In
  • No Digital Out
  • Weaker Processor (Quad Core)
  • Viewing Angle Quite Low

Ultimately, I was trying to get the Eonon unit secured and I had to push on the screen because there was no where else. The screen broke. I spoke to 2 other people with this unit and both had the same issues and one had a broken screen as well. I think with some longer screws and upgraded hardware the Eonon unit would do better.


Moving on, I researched a fair bit and started looking for a unit that would hit on points I wanted a little better. I found this Joying Universal unit and thought it was the best option. They do have model specific units that have most of the benefits I will list but I had the following criteria in my head:

  • Mount Screen As High As Possible Without Permanent Modification
  • No Relocation Of Climate Controls
  • Built In Carplay
  • Largest Screen Possible
  • Best Hardware Specs Possible
  • Digital Out

Based on that I believe this unit has the best specs that fit our cars where function and aesthetics meet perfectly. The sound quality is amazing and a step up from any Bluetooth dongle or y cable for us non idrive guys. I want to upgrade to a DSP with digital in down the line but this is the first step. I have a custom diffuser coming that I wanted a back up camera for. So that's where this all started for me.

This is the unit I purchased.

https://www.joyingauto.com/joying-10...lt-in-dsp.html

I made a quick DIY video on youtube and I will have a more in depth review explaining some things as a part 2.

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I got some requests for more pictures and I did a little more in depth explanation of my initial review.


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      06-22-2020, 05:16 AM   #3
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That turned out really great, thanks for the upload it will come in useful.
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Did you have to tap into a fuse for always-on power? Can you provide links for the things you needed? Thanks for the work you've done!
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That turned out really great, thanks for the upload it will come in useful.
I hope so. The 1 series guys really led the way with these units and I found their info very helpful. I just wanted to do my part and build on that.

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Did you have to tap into a fuse for always-on power? Can you provide links for the things you needed? Thanks for the work you've done!
The power wire is looped into the main harness on the Joying unit. It is not left unplugged for you to tap into a fuse. Personally, I don't see any reason to tap into a fuse at this point. The system boots up lightning quick. Literally 1-2 seconds even with the car sitting overnight. I still have my lighting settings on the cluster retained. I haven't checked other settings to be honest. At this point I haven't found a reason to hard wire it to a fuse tap.

With the Eonon unit it was not connected to anything and I believe they expected you to tap into a fuse. Their unit took a solid 20 seconds or so to boot up when the car went to sleep. The only thing right now I still feel the Eonon does better is the sound quality. Their equalizer had way more bands and perhaps the presets could have been optimized for our cars. I haven't been able to pinpoint it. I need to play around with the EQ on the joying to see if I can dial it in better. Eventually I will likely get a DSP/AMP so I can really benefit from the digital out.

In terms of things I needed, it is quite a small list:
  • Joying Head Unit
  • Metra Single Din Fascia for BMW 1/3 series
  • Plastic Pry Tool
  • T20 Torx Screwdriver
  • Double Sided Tape
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I hope so. The 1 series guys really led the way with these units and I found their info very helpful. I just wanted to do my part and build on that.



The power wire is looped into the main harness on the Joying unit. It is not left unplugged for you to tap into a fuse. Personally, I don't see any reason to tap into a fuse at this point. The system boots up lightning quick. Literally 1-2 seconds even with the car sitting overnight. I still have my lighting settings on the cluster retained. I haven't checked other settings to be honest. At this point I haven't found a reason to hard wire it to a fuse tap.

With the Eonon unit it was not connected to anything and I believe they expected you to tap into a fuse. Their unit took a solid 20 seconds or so to boot up when the car went to sleep. The only thing right now I still feel the Eonon does better is the sound quality. Their equalizer had way more bands and perhaps the presets could have been optimized for our cars. I haven't been able to pinpoint it. I need to play around with the EQ on the joying to see if I can dial it in better. Eventually I will likely get a DSP/AMP so I can really benefit from the digital out.

In terms of things I needed, it is quite a small list:
  • Joying Head Unit
  • Metra Single Din Fascia for BMW 1/3 series
  • Plastic Pry Tool
  • T20 Torx Screwdriver
  • Double Sided Tape
Thanks for this list but how about the wiring harness?
Did you buy it from Joying?
Also the BMW canbus...did you have to request it from Joying and how much did it cost?
Also, the 9mm adapters.

Thanks, just want to make sure I have a full list for whenever I decide to change out my unit.
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Thanks for this list but how about the wiring harness?
Did you buy it from Joying?
Also the BMW canbus...did you have to request it from Joying and how much did it cost?
Also, the 9mm adapters.

Thanks, just want to make sure I have a full list for whenever I decide to change out my unit.
My bad. I misunderstood. Yes you need to make sure to request the Bmw E90 harness. It will come with the canbus decoder and radio antenna adapter. Also you should ask for the 9mm spacer. They called it a ďstentĒ. When youíre ready to order let me know and Iíll tell the person Iíve been chatting with to give you the same order. I am working on ideas for getting the spacer to screw in in a way to center the screen. Iím also working on an idea to space it out further. I think I want to raise the screen up a little bit higher as well. It doesnít block the climate controls physically but the viewing angle does block the climate control lcd. They charged me $40 extra for the harness. Different people have reported different prices theyíve been charged. Iíd order from joying direct to get the longer warranty and the harness.
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Great info. Thanks!!!!
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Are there any HVAC control relocation facias that drop the heated seats buttons but not far enough to hang off the bottom? Would be nice to have normal full view of HVAC screen without dropping your head.
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Are there any HVAC control relocation facias that drop the heated seats buttons but not far enough to hang off the bottom? Would be nice to have normal full view of HVAC screen without dropping your head.
None as far as I know. If one was to get an hvac control unit with the seat heater buttons built in that would make for a lot of real estate to drop it lower without sticking out at the bottom. I'm likely going to raise this unit to the highest position it can be mounted. It will likely block one vent slat. Personally, im ok with that given I don't use heat through those vents and only AC.
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I can think of 2 more cons:

1. No HD Radio functionality.
2. No gong from the factory radio.
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I can think of 2 more cons:

1. No HD Radio functionality.
2. No gong from the factory radio.
Really depends if you use HD radio. I didn't even know we had HD radio. Do you mean satellite?

As far as the gong it has its own beeping sound that replaces the gong. IMO they're both equally annoying. I never liked the factory gong.

I was asked for a profile pic of the unit. At present its touching the dash. I am going to space it out a little further and hopefully center the unit. Contrary to what I said in the video, the unit is not actually designed to be used with an offset to left or right but I believe I will try to modify the bracket to work. Stay tuned and I'll post up what I did if its a success.
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Mounting Modifications

The fact the screen wasn't horizontally centered was really bothering me. I had some ideas about how to correct this but I was very happy to find a solution that requires no permanent modifications to the brackets or head unit. I made a video explaining it and I took some pictures to show how it sits now. I also raised the unit so I can now see the climate control LCD without any obstruction. This is now perfectly mounted and even better than before. Very pleased with this unit. The video has links to the screws & washers I used. Shouldn't cost you more than about $2 at fastenal.

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Thanks for all the info, this honestly looks like the best option for us with non iDrive cars. How is Apple car play functioning on the unit? I was hoping to see how well it worked, as well as the boot time in your videos, but didnít see it.
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Thanks for all the info, this honestly looks like the best option for us with non iDrive cars. How is Apple car play functioning on the unit? I was hoping to see how well it worked, as well as the boot time in your videos, but didnít see it.
I do think itís the best unit for us non idrive guys. Would be nice if we could get an idrive controller to work with it somehow. I know those idrive type units to have a controller for them. If we could fit one of those it would be amazing.

Apple CarPlay has been working well. Itís an app called zlink I believe. It takes about 10 seconds from when you plug in the phone. You can connect wireless but you lose sound quality via Bluetooth. The eonon definitely connected to CarPlay quicker. Almost immediately but I had weird buzzing feedback on the eonon.

It boots extremely quick. Depends if itís gone to sleep or not. Most times itís literally 1 second even if itís sat overnight. If itís a full boot it canít be more than 10 seconds. Itís so much quicker than the eonon unit.
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Really depends if you use HD radio. I didn't even know we had HD radio. Do you mean satellite?

As far as the gong it has its own beeping sound that replaces the gong. IMO they're both equally annoying. I never liked the factory gong.

I was asked for a profile pic of the unit. At present its touching the dash. I am going to space it out a little further and hopefully center the unit. Contrary to what I said in the video, the unit is not actually designed to be used with an offset to left or right but I believe I will try to modify the bracket to work. Stay tuned and I'll post up what I did if its a success.
I meant HD Radio, the digital version of the FM and AM radio. If you see Sub Channels on a radio station like HD1, HD2, then you have HD Radio. None of these Chinese headunits support it, so I ended up keeping my factory radio and added an Android screen (that requires cutting the dash).
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I meant HD Radio, the digital version of the FM and AM radio. If you see Sub Channels on a radio station like HD1, HD2, then you have HD Radio. None of these Chinese headunits support it, so I ended up keeping my factory radio and added an Android screen (that requires cutting the dash).
I see. I wasn't aware of that option. Its great we have all the options we do, so everyone can find their flavour.
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