[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by OverDrive

thanx. can my dealer install the dinan for me, or do i have to send my ECU to Dinan?

'08 have to ship your ecu to Dinan.

[Dr_Dirt]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

One can't compare dyno results from different dynos that were calibrated differently. The nice thing about using Dynojet (as opposed to Mustang Dynos) is there there is very little that can be adjusted. You basically only have gear selection and that's about it. This is why today's results, IMHO, are more useful than any dyno result posted so far on this forum.

Shiv

This is definitely the best apples to apples comparison to date. How does this compare to a V2 on 91 octane.
Shiv, can you post a Dyno sheet with a stock V2.xx on 91 oct against the DINAN @ 91 octane?

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

I don't think there is enough evidence to support the idea that your results were out-of-the-ordinary. On this dyno, on this gas, I supect you would have made the same power as Bob's car. One can't compare dyno results from different dynos that were calibrated differently. The nice thing about using Dynojet (as opposed to Mustang Dynos) is there there is very little that can be adjusted. You basically only have gear selection and that's about it. This is why today's results, IMHO, are more useful than any dyno result posted so far on this forum.

Shiv

Well, if octane was 93 what could you expect ~ 15-20 whp?

[Kelvin1000]

He seems to have an 08

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Shadyg

Well, if octane was 93 what could you expect ~ 15-20 whp?

I'd be suprised with 10whp. It's like running v2 at 80%. At that lowish boost pressure, octane isn't going to make a significant difference.

Shiv

[cn555ic]

Damn you have to press the throttle 70-80% until you feel the power!! That sucks!

[T Bone]

Originally Posted by Shadyg

A bit less ~$2100, so $650 difference inclusive w/ a 50,000/4 yr warranty.

sflgator, when i get back in town maybe we can head to the dyno and do a comparison since we are both close to stock except for wheels and a filter on your car.

+$2000 for oil cooler + 10.5 hours for labor.

[Kelvin1000]

This is not a knock on Dinan but peak power may not be that different but if I am understanding Shiv's comment correctly, then there may be a bigger difference when you compare the whole RMP spectrum. We need to compare apples to apples (if shiv can post both @ 91 octane.

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by T Bone

+$2000 for oil cooler + 10.5 hours for labor.

IMO there is no need for Dinan's oil cooler if you have a stock oil cooler, temps never run above 250 degree range.

[cn555ic]

damn 70-80% until you feel the power...If that is true then most of the time on AT cars, would you feel the car kick down a gear because of so much throttle??

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by Shadyg

IMO there is no need for Dinan's oil cooler if you have a stock oil cooler, temps never run above 250 degree range.

Yeah, not sure how the Dinan ECU Flash affects the car's temp, but with PROcede v2 and the oem retrofitted oil cooler, my car hasn't seen temps rise above 250 degrees F as well (even under some "spirited" driving ). It normally runs ~ 225-235 degrees F now.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by Kelvin1000

This is not a knock on Dinan but peak power may not be that different but if I am understanding Shiv's comment correctly, then there may be a bigger difference when you compare the whole RMP spectrum. We need to compare apples to apples (if shiv can post both @ 91 octane.

The only worthwhile same dyno comparison was with my car which has a cat-back exhaust and intake. An intake didn't help the Dinan car so the only effective difference was the cat-back exhaust. User TQ was set to 90%. Both cars on Shell 91 and tested under identical conditions. My car has 26k very hard miles on the clock. Bob's has just over 5k.

My car made ~40whp and ~20lbft more. Again, the cars aren't equally configured so posting a comparison graph may not be very fair.

Shiv

[T Bone]

Originally Posted by Shadyg

IMO there is no need for Dinan's oil cooler if you have a stock oil cooler, temps never run above 250 degree range.

For us saps without the cooler, our options are limited.

I really want to pay $2000 and 10.5 hours labor for a $200 part.....really

[Kelvin1000]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

The only worthwhile same dyno comparison was with my car which has a cat-back exhaust and intake. An intake didn't help the Dinan car so the only effective difference was the cat-back exhaust. User TQ was set to 90%. Both cars on Shell 91 and tested under identical conditions. My car has 26k very hard miles on the clock. Bob's has just over 5k.

My car made 30-35whp and ~20lbft more. Again, the cars aren't equally configured so posting a comparison graph may not be very fair.

Shiv

Shiv,

Since the intake doesn't seem to make much of a difference at these settings, how much WHP and WTQ is the catback good for?

[stillclaimndp]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

The only worthwhile same dyno comparison was with my car which has a cat-back exhaust and intake. An intake didn't help the Dinan car so the only effective difference was the cat-back exhaust. User TQ was set to 90%. Both cars on Shell 91 and tested under identical conditions. My car has 26k very hard miles on the clock. Bob's has just over 5k.

My car made 30-35whp and ~20lbft more. Again, the cars aren't equally configured so posting a comparison graph may not be very fair.

Shiv

Is it Modacar's dyno? I think Vince and I might hit it up tomorrow if so... then we can compare stock intake/exhaust with V2.

[cn555ic]

Do i see Silver SPOON....Nah its just copper for me!!! Couldn't, wouldn't and never afford Dinan...

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by T Bone

For us saps without the cooler, our options are limited.

I really want to pay $2000 and 10.5 hours labor for a $200 part.....really

I completely agree with you.

[OpenFlash]

Originally Posted by stillclaimndp

Is it Modacar's dyno? I think Vince and I might hit it up tomorrow if so... then we can compare stock intake/exhaust with V2.

Yep, that same dyno. Unfortunately, they are closed tomorrow. But if wait until after New Year's, I'll join you guys. Might even have a couple of things to try out on your cars.

Shiv

[stillclaimndp]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Yep, that same dyno. Unfortunately, they are closed tomorrow. But if wait until after New Year's, I'll join you guys. Might even have a couple of things to try out on your cars.

Shiv

K, Vince must have been misinformed... look forward to it.

[Dr_Dirt]

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

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My car made 30-35whp and ~20lbft more. Again, the cars aren't equally configured so posting a comparison graph may not be very fair.

Shiv

Shiv,
This is still the best data to date, you dynoed both cars on the same dyno using the same gas.
So the only difference outside of the V2.xx is possibly the combination of your intake and exhaust.

In your honest opinion how much additional power does your intake and exhaust add?

[Kelvin1000]

I never expected the Dinan flash to be on par with Version 2.0x but if we can determine that it is comparable to version 1.47, JB2 and Xede then to me, it is a worthwhile purchase.

While it is clear that Proceed 2.0x will make the most power of any of these tunes, people who buy the Dinan are probably looking for easy of install, reliability and the warranty. There is a market for both of them.

Shiv, how would you rate versus the first generation tunes I mentioned (including Proceed 1.47)?

[stillclaimndp]

Originally Posted by Kelvin1000

I never expected the Dinan flash to be on par with Version 2.0x but if we can determine that it is comparable to version 1.47, JB2 and Xede then to me, it is a worthwhile purchase.

While it is clear that Proceed 2.0x will make the most power of any of these tunes, people who buy the Dinan are probably looking for easy of install, reliability and the warranty. There is a market for both of them.

Shiv, how would you rate versus the first generation tunes I mentioned (including Proceed 1.47)?

i dont see why it should be compared to anything but V2 considering it costs 30% more than V2 installed...