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      12-23-2013, 07:37 AM   #199
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On the bright side, Having everything sitting around for a few months gives plenty of time to prepare for a clean install.

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It is the meth controller from snow performance kit.

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So I finished up the install (mostly) and am working on finding the right settings.

What are those of you with meth running as far as nozzles and injection parameters?

I seem to have an almost sweet spot with a 225ml/min nozzle ramping up slowly from 13 to 27psi, then a 500ml/min nozzle kicks in in tandem at 23psi. (49/51 mixture). It's not perfect yet, but I'll get it dialed in. (Note: nozzles corrected for psi of pump)

I was getting some combustion quench in the 13-16psi range from the 225 nozzle when it was ramping up from 10-20 or even 11-24.

I am running this with JBD, but hope to switch that out for another tune later this year once I'm comfortable with what's out there.

Look forward to hearing your thoughts.
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So I finished up the install (mostly) and am working on finding the right settings.

What are those of you with meth running as far as nozzles and injection parameters?

I seem to have an almost sweet spot with a 225ml/min nozzle ramping up slowly from 13 to 27psi, then a 500ml/min nozzle kicks in in tandem at 23psi. (49/51 mixture). It's not perfect yet, but I'll get it dialed in. (Note: nozzles corrected for psi of pump)

I was getting some combustion quench in the 13-16psi range from the 225 nozzle when it was ramping up from 10-20 or even 11-24.

I am running this with JBD, but hope to switch that out for another tune later this year once I'm comfortable with what's out there.

Look forward to hearing your thoughts.
Nice!

That seems similar to what I've been running the last couple years. Although I've got mine setup to ramp up with rpm's and boost, because I was also getting some quench if too much was sprayed at low rpm's and mid boost levels.



I noticed Hotrod said he was using 1200 cc/min at 100% methanol for his record 1/4 mile run. That's a lot! Not sure I want to go that high... But I have things setup so I can add another nozzle if/when I experiment to go higher.
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How did you guys running meth install the bungs? I'm looking at doing this maybe next year and want to start planning it.
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I drilled and taped the intake pipe before the post intercooler Air Temp sensor. The methanol/water dramatically lowers the charge temp. Placing it before the sensor allows the DDE to see the reduced IAT's and change injection timing take advantage of the lower IAT's.
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I drilled and taped the intake pipe before the post intercooler Air Temp sensor. The methanol/water dramatically lowers the charge temp. Placing it before the sensor allows the DDE to see the reduced IAT's and change injection timing take advantage of the lower IAT's.
Ditto. I'll post some pics when not mobile. Anyone planning the install should note the above.
For now...
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I think I'm going to downsize the small nozzle so that I can run it from lower (10ish) psi up to 100% at 20-22. Also, will move one of the taps (new pipe) because it is sitting too close to some lines (and likely shift them down further ipstream from e temp sensor a bit)

I'm glad to have it all hooked up & tested. Now it's time to tweak & beautify (or--more accurately-- de-ugly

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Looking good guys. Has anyone out there dyno'ed before/after with meth? Clearly with hotrods run of 12.3 --- he's pumping out some serious HP/TQ.

In my head the following would be sweet:

*Reflash with raised boost
*Remove DPF/EGR
*Downpipe
*Methanol

Anyone with this extreme of a combo in the US yet?
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Looking good guys. Has anyone out there dyno'ed before/after with meth? Clearly with hotrods run of 12.3 --- he's pumping out some serious HP/TQ.

In my head the following would be sweet:

*Reflash with raised boost
*Remove DPF/EGR
*Downpipe
*Methanol

Anyone with this extreme of a combo in the US yet?
Yes, yes, partial (DPF section gone, DOC section still in place), and yes.

I've got some info on an Evolve remap with and without some custom stuff which includes 50/50 H2O/methanol at ~650ml/min max level (so Hotrod was squirting ~4X the methanol in his runs). Also has the charge air temp data and EGT's with the runs. It was on a stingy Superflow dyno with their largest rollers so big dually pickups can be strapped on it...

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...24&postcount=1

With the pre DPF/Ecotune mods using Evolve and stock IC/DPF this everyday methanol/custom/Evolve setup, along with some slicks, I've done 12.65 secs and trap speeds of 110.18 in the quarter mile with less than ideal winds/DA's. The Ecotune/DPF mods have freed up about about 20hp more according to my rough measurements using my in car measurement devices.
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Yes, yes, partial (DPF section gone, DOC section still in place), and yes.

I've got some info on an Evolve remap with and without some custom stuff which includes 50/50 H2O/methanol at ~650ml/min max level (so Hotrod was squirting ~4X the methanol in his runs). Also has the charge air temp data and EGT's with the runs. It was on a stingy Superflow dyno with their largest rollers so big dually pickups can be strapped on it...

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...24&postcount=1

With the pre DPF/Ecotune mods using Evolve and stock IC/DPF this everyday methanol/custom/Evolve setup, along with some slicks, I've done 12.65 secs and trap speeds of 110.18 in the quarter mile with less than ideal winds/DA's. The Ecotune/DPF mods have freed up about about 20hp more according to my rough measurements using my in car measurement devices.
TDI - great info there and love the data capture. I'll be hopping into a 335d here soon and will also start the modding. Looking forward to what this thing can do.

My car will be a commuter, track toy and maybe yank around a small utility trailer for projects around the house. Gotta use these things!
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So I finished up the install (mostly) and am working on finding the right settings.

What are those of you with meth running as far as nozzles and injection parameters?

I seem to have an almost sweet spot with a 225ml/min nozzle ramping up slowly from 13 to 27psi, then a 500ml/min nozzle kicks in in tandem at 23psi. (49/51 mixture). It's not perfect yet, but I'll get it dialed in. (Note: nozzles corrected for psi of pump)

I was getting some combustion quench in the 13-16psi range from the 225 nozzle when it was ramping up from 10-20 or even 11-24.

I am running this with JBD, but hope to switch that out for another tune later this year once I'm comfortable with what's out there.

Look forward to hearing your thoughts.
Was it easy to set the meth injection parameters? I was thinking of getting a meth kit just to inject past 3200rpm and 20psi of boost.
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Was it easy to set the meth injection parameters? I was thinking of getting a meth kit just to inject past 3200rpm and 20psi of boost.
Yessir, but I'm controlling only based on boost; haven't checked to see if I can tie in an additionalpoint for rpm on this controller.(don't think so).
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I've got one of those stage 3 snow kits on a truck of mine .. The only options on mine are; low medium and high with adjustable gain .. With washer fluid on one of my trucks I consistently ran 88 psi of boost at 1250 egt while pulling past 100 mph ....without water on same set up I would run 80 psi of boost at around 1450 egt in the same situation
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I've got one of those stage 3 snow kits on a truck of mine .. The only options on mine are; low medium and high with adjustable gain .. With washer fluid on one of my trucks I consistently ran 88 psi of boost at 1250 egt while pulling past 100 mph ....without water on same set up I would run 80 psi of boost at around 1450 egt in the same situation
88 psi of boost! Wow. Please let me know the details on that setup. Please...
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Arent there some dodge guys running higher than that? I was happy to touch 30 psi in my F250....
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Arent there some dodge guys running higher than that? I was happy to touch 30 psi in my F250....
I've got an early common rail Cummins in my Ram, but haven't modified it much beyond the stock levels so far. The diesel shop I've dyno'd at and worked with on my exhaust specializes in the domestic trucks. In his work area he's got turbo's with housings big enough that I could fit most of my leg through. He's always got trucks with engines pulled and being rebuilt and modified to crazy high hp/boost levels. I kinda like going there just to see some of the crazy stuff that's being done.
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It's a p-pumped 24v engine with 14 mm studs in the head and mains, 6x.018" injectors, scheid laser cut delivery valves, 4,000 rpm governor springs, scheid street cam, by eye afc work, and a s366 over an s480.. Or s357 over s480... I've played with a few combos and I've got a bigger 13mm injection pump I built which I ran once and got worried it smoked too much for the street.. Gonna mess with that again soon... My other observation with water/meth on this set up is that it works well when under fueled.. That setup above leans out a bunch in the high rpm and there's no smoke... You add the water meth and it's a little more fuel
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So I have heard lots of guys say water/meth does nothing for more power, it only lowers egts.. What I've found is that those guys are already running really rich air/fuel mixtures and the extra power from water/meth is to be had while running lean.. And remember guys our 335ds run lean so that's probably why they respond so well to water/meth ..and it's perfectly safe for a diesel to run lean because they run cooler like that... Which is opposite of a gas powered engine which runs hot when it's lean..
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