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04-09-2023, 01:22 PM | #287 |
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04-10-2023, 05:41 AM | #288 | |
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Is your car a SE or M-Sport, although this wont make much of a difference... Also, did they mention anything about pre-loading the mount then torqeuing the top nut? As according to the BMW instructions, the squishy foam mounts don't need a pre-load or car at normal riding height when tightening the top nut. Only the bottom nut of the shock absorber requires to be tightened at normal ride height... |
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04-10-2023, 09:22 AM | #290 |
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Ok, its just that someone mentioned on this thread that the mounts need to be squished a tad to work/compress properly - surely this can't be true!!
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04-11-2023, 04:08 AM | #292 | |
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So it's just the washer that's uncertain. Monroe tech support says it needs to be installed but are they saying this as due diligence and protect themselves from people knocking on their door just incase people didn't use the washer in place of the oem cup? |
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04-11-2023, 11:46 PM | #294 | |
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04-14-2023, 11:16 AM | #295 |
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A lot of the people on this thread didnt use the washer - the general consensus was that the washer is to be used in place of the oem cup if the oem cup wasn't used. But monroe tech support say it should be used with the oem cup...
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04-14-2023, 09:24 PM | #296 |
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Might as well use it. It certainly can't hurt. I installed it with mine cause the oem cup seemed flimsy. I cant see it affecting ride height hardly at all.
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04-17-2023, 01:11 PM | #298 | |
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Even with the rattle and the stiffer mounts, I didn't notice any difference in handling or feel of the rear end. |
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04-27-2023, 04:08 PM | #299 |
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What's the general consensus in terms of benefits of doing this mod?
A more firm rear end? In terms of what though? Handling or bumps/secondary bounce? I'm surprised that this mod doesn't seem to improve the tightness of the rear end (handling and feedback) but more so the bumps... Surely these firmer mounts would stop that extra squish lime the OEM foam.monts during around a bend? What is/are the main benefits of this mod? Does it help handling? Does it help provide better dampening. I know the oem foam.mounts are for rf tyres but these mouns coupled with non rf tyres should be decent around corners |
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05-15-2023, 09:13 AM | #300 |
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Ok guys, I think its sensible to use the Monroe washer with the OEM Cup. The reason being because 1mm of gap or clearance plays a massive role in the compression of these rubber mounts. I remember a post on babybmw and even 1mm of compression of this upper mount requires a lot of force.
Is it necessary to loosen the lower shock mount bolts or just remove top nut and press shock down, change parts and back in? |
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06-23-2023, 04:49 PM | #301 |
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So I attempted to install these Monroe rubber upper mounts as I was replacing the original shocks with B4 Sport shocks. I did not manage to install them unfortunately. Reason: Couldn't even get one thread to be visible after tightening it down fully. I used the Monroe Washer + OEM Cup. Then I installed the OEM mounts back, and forgot to remove the Monroe washer and same problem, not even 1 thread visible on the shock shaft. So I had a look and realised the washer was there, so I removed it and voila, the upper mount nut tightened nice and easily down until about 4 threads were visible. So, I now realise that maybe the Black Monroe washer should not be used? Clearly the washer is stopping the nut from screwing more down...Is this is a problem or not? I'm confident that if I try again, but this time without the Monroe washer, I would have 4 threads visible. So I'm led to believe that the Monroe washer is a substitute for a missing OEM cup. Also, I noticed a 2mm difference in height of the Monroe sleeve compared to genuine BMW. Monroe is about 2mm bigger. So 2mm bigger sleeve + 2mm washer is why the threads are not visible on the shock shaft.. See attached picture. |
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06-23-2023, 11:22 PM | #302 |
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I had enough thread on my Koni yellows to use both the OEM cup + Monroe washer.
It sounds like a lot of folks with this setup are running Konis and/or excluding the washer. After doing the Poor Man's Dinan Supplemental Ride Quality & Handling Kit (cutting 10mm from the sleeve + bottom mount), there's lots of extra thread. |
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06-24-2023, 04:12 AM | #303 |
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Thanks for your input.
What's the deal with the longer sleeve ??? If anything, it should be ~2mm shorter than stock, to allow for the 2mm black washer....So right now, the Monroe sleeve is 2mm bigger than stock, the washer which is about 1.5mm stick is also taking more space...so thats 4mm of space...hence why I couldn't see any threads! Whats the verdict...? Use STOCK sleeve and no washer? |
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06-25-2023, 08:18 AM | #304 |
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Just installed these now.
Not rattles or squeaks - Used Monroe Sleeve and NO WASHER. More thuddy noise from the back, which is a shame. Handling is noticeably better. Just installed new B4 Sports and OEM SACHS D3 springs at rear last week. Surprised no-body commented on the handling with these. The bump absorption is better in some aspects, like smaller bumps. But the bigger bumps feel similar to the OEM mounts but with more firmness, which is a shame. (New BMW bump stops installed also + new Febi lower rubber mounts) I'm running 33 and 39 PSI stock pressures. I'll maybe reduce the rear to 36 and test drive then 33 and test drive over the next couple of days. If the firmness over large bumps don't soften up, then I'll be buying BMW dealer upper mounts to get some softness again and better NVH. Food for thought: Can Anyone comment on whether or not BMW offered the E90 with a no-cost standard non runflat tyres option? If they did, then the suspension components were definitely the same because realoem.com doesn't specify suspension parts for standard or runflat tyres...only SE and M-Sport. Meaning that the car should handle, perfrom the same with or without run flats? I'm sure I read a comment a while back saying that standard tyres was a no cost option @ BMW. |
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07-17-2023, 02:55 PM | #305 |
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I installed the monroe's on my 335xi and did notice it felt more planted with koni fsd's. I also tried OEM style lemforders. They did have a more compliant road feel, but now I feel that 2nd oscillation of the OEM type mount over bumps.
I think I might give the monroe's another try. I don't know what other manufacturer shock mounts look like that BMW used the soft squishy mounts over something more firm. Do people notice any more noise or discomfort when using the monroe upper mount with non-rft? |
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07-18-2023, 03:57 PM | #306 | |
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They were not worth it for me. More noise and thuds in the cabin, and too much of a firm ride and the secondary bounce was still there. These are not suitable for OEM shocks I think (they make the shocks work too hard). I got Lemforder foam mounts back in and ride is more compliant but on certain bumps yes the secondary bounce does happen. I test drove a 2011 E90 LCI 320d Man with 95,000 miles on the clock before I went and purchased my 320d LCI. I swear on anything, that ride was so tight and damped! You could feel the chassis awaken on turnings and the bumps were beautifully damped out and no secondary bouncy feeling at all (standard tyres on 33 psi all-round)! The dealer only sold M-Sport BMW models so he knew a lot about them. I asked him what's the difference in ride with standard v run flat? He told me not much at all, its just slightly harsher but nothing back-breaking and average guy wouldn't even tell the difference. SO Im convinced that having standard tyres doesn't affect the ride much on the E9x and that secondary bounce is not a characteristic of the E90, something is causing it. I wish my 320d drove like that car - Mine is on 116k miles. I am now going to do the fronts with new B4 Sports OEM shocks and SACHSs OEM Springs + LEMFORDER Mounts hoping that will make the ride better and maybe eliminate secondary bounce? Could the secondary bounce occur in E9x with shot front suspension? Could that cause the rear to overwork hence result in secondary bounce? Time will tell. |
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