[mwahlert]

Originally Posted by Brian GT PRO

Hi guys, been away working on various projects. Regarding this project, we are having the worst time trying to get someone to help us tune. Coming from a world where we can get code for almost any car, and being able to tune the maps in 3D, this BMW tuning box stuff is really frustrating at best.

At the moment, we're not sure where to go yet on this, but we will continue to seek resolution to this.

i think you should have a talk with jim conforti.....

[Slidewayz]

Basically, engine management is not a valid excuse for not moving forward. There are multiple vendors/products that can accomodate spark, fuel, and boost for upgraded turbos.

[dlbrooks18]

^ I don't agree, it's not as easy as you think with our ecu/platform. ASR was waiting for Shiv too..

good to know that this project is not officially dead, just stalled at the moment..

[Slidewayz]

Originally Posted by dlbrooks18

^ I don't agree, it's not as easy as you think with our ecu/platform. ASR was waiting for Shiv too..

good to know that this project is not officially dead, just stalled at the moment..

I disagree with your disagreement. It's not valid for them to blame lack of progress on engine management when there are experts available to handle that part. Further, Shiv has recently demonstrated his specific competence in tuning aftermarket turbos for the N54.

If they're not moving forward, they need to blame it on a lack of budget to hire appropriate tuning expertise, not some R&D that stands in the way of tuning the N54 for aftermarket turbos.

[smdandb2]

Originally Posted by Slidewayz

If they're not moving forward, they need to blame it on a lack of budget to hire appropriate tuning expertise, not some R&D that stands in the way of tuning the N54 for aftermarket turbos.

That's it right there.

Money talks. Need an expert? Wave some money in their face and you will have their attention. Assuming its a fair amount, and not some lowball deal.

[JoeyFiasco]

Originally Posted by Slidewayz

I disagree with your disagreement. It's not valid for them to blame lack of progress on engine management when there are experts available to handle that part. Further, Shiv has recently demonstrated his specific competence in tuning aftermarket turbos for the N54.

If they're not moving forward, they need to blame it on a lack of budget to hire appropriate tuning expertise, not some R&D that stands in the way of tuning the N54 for aftermarket turbos.

Originally Posted by smdandb2

That's it right there.

Money talks. Need an expert? Wave some money in their face and you will have their attention. Assuming its a fair amount, and not some lowball deal.

hopefully GT will be able to sort it out soon. it behooves (sp?) the tuners to coordinate/cooperate with these guys

[Brian GT PRO]

WOW!!

I didn't think we would get hung for trying to come up with a N54 turbo upgrade..

Doing any real R&D takes time, talent, money, and good partners. Obviously, if someone had a wheelbarrow of money and a handful of contacts, anything can happen, but unfortunately, we do not possess the wheelbarrow of cash to throw at someone to develop proprietary software for us, and so far no good partners in this community as of yet, if this was the import community we'd be light years ahead of the curve trust me.

[Septro]

Originally Posted by Brian GT PRO

WOW!!

I didn't think we would get hung for trying to come up with a N54 turbo upgrade..

Doing any real R&D takes time, talent, money, and good partners. Obviously, if someone had a wheelbarrow of money and a handful of contacts, anything can happen, but unfortunately, we do not possess the wheelbarrow of cash to throw at someone to develop proprietary software for us, and so far no good partners in this community as of yet, if this was the import community we'd be light years ahead of the curve trust me.

SoCal is about the mecca of performance tuning - you don't have any contacts in the industry to help assist tune or is the beef that there aren't the same volume and caliber of tuners for the N54 you can partner-up with?

I guess there are piggy-back tuners, large shops that do it all like AMS, DINAN, pure ECU tuners and then the small shops in between that need to partner across. ASR has hit up Shiv.. there are a bunch of ECU tuners coming up that could pose a good opportunity - you just have to find 'em.

[Brian GT PRO]

Originally Posted by Septro

SoCal is about the mecca of performance tuning - you don't have any contacts in the industry to help assist tune or is the beef that there aren't the same volume and caliber of tuners for the N54 you can partner-up with?

I guess there are piggy-back tuners, large shops that do it all like AMS, DINAN, pure ECU tuners and then the small shops in between that need to partner across. ASR has hit up Shiv.. there are a bunch of ECU tuners coming up that could pose a good opportunity - you just have to find 'em.

Actually I worked with Powerchip for over 7 months, without a final outcome (donated our shop car to them for 5 months). I have spoken to Madness motorsport (EvoTek USA guys), they said they *might* be able to help, except they are in Oregon, and they would not allow us to have control of the tune. I have PM'd over and over Jim Conforti with no reply. Terry might jump in and help, but we're still on a discussion level at the moment. We're trying, trust me.

[Kevin@AKMotorwerk]

Originally Posted by Slidewayz

If they're not moving forward, they need to blame it on a lack of budget to hire appropriate tuning expertise, not some R&D that stands in the way of tuning the N54 for aftermarket turbos.

sometimes its more the lack of budget, think about it, the more he has to pay someone to do the tune the more you are going to end up paying for the actual product, he needs to get that part done under a certain amount of money to be able to be competitive in the market, its not as simple as bringing a suitcase full of cash to a guy and getting it done.

[midlife]

Originally Posted by Brian GT PRO

Actually I worked with Powerchip for over 7 months, without a final outcome (donated our shop car to them for 5 months). I have spoken to Madness motorsport (EvoTek USA guys), they said they *might* be able to help, except they are in Oregon, and they would not allow us to have control of the tune. I have PM'd over and over Jim Conforti with no reply. Terry might jump in and help, but we're still on a discussion level at the moment. We're trying, trust me.

go with terry man

[midlife]

Originally Posted by sexye92

sometimes its more the lack of budget, think about it, the more he has to pay someone to do the tune the more you are going to end up paying for the actual product, he needs to get that part done under a certain amount of money to be able to be competitive in the market, its not as simple as bringing a suitcase full of cash to a guy and getting it done.

with a well defined partnership / revenue sharing relationship, the turbo fabricator may not have to pay 1 penny for the tuning up front.

[Slidewayz]

Unless Shiv already has an exclusive agreement with the ASR guys, which I doubt, he should be able to do this pretty quickly since he's already got experience with tuning upgraded turbos on the N54.

Have you reached out to him, Brian?

Originally Posted by Brian GT PRO

WOW!!

I didn't think we would get hung for trying to come up with a N54 turbo upgrade..

Doing any real R&D takes time, talent, money, and good partners. Obviously, if someone had a wheelbarrow of money and a handful of contacts, anything can happen, but unfortunately, we do not possess the wheelbarrow of cash to throw at someone to develop proprietary software for us, and so far no good partners in this community as of yet, if this was the import community we'd be light years ahead of the curve trust me.

[runningman]

Originally Posted by Slidewayz

Unless Shiv already has an exclusive agreement with the ASR guys, which I doubt, he should be able to do this pretty quickly since he's already got experience with tuning upgraded turbos on the N54.

Have you reached out to him, Brian?

If this is the same turbo company I am thinking of Shiv already did the tuning with the V3, but they never shared the results. I'll have to search around for the thread.

[Clarkson]

Originally Posted by runningman

If this is the same turbo company I am thinking of Shiv already did the tuning with the V3, but they never shared the results. I'll have to search around for the thread.

Here's one:
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...&postcount=614

[crazya_22]

^^^^ That link is to the dyno sheet for Shiv tuning the ASR turbo upgrade.

[Brian GT PRO]

We did work lightly with Shiv, however we did not achieve the results we were after, and the test car was misfiring as well, and Shiv had to leave. From that point we have not progressed. We hope to move forward here soon to prove what these turbos can do.

[sd390r]

any reason youre not a sponsor anymore?

[Italia335i]

Originally Posted by Brian GT PRO

We did work lightly with Shiv, however we did not achieve the results we were after, and the test car was misfiring as well, and Shiv had to leave. From that point we have not progressed. We hope to move forward here soon to prove what these turbos can do.

Why not try different tuners?

Can this car run with the stock tune and your upgraded turbos? If so I know of another tuner that can help you out.

[Brian GT PRO]

Originally Posted by sd390r

any reason youre not a sponsor anymore?

currently, we are under a company restructure (not financial, but staffing/company direction), and allowed our sponsorship to laps, however once we get back on track, we will renew our sponsorship for sure.

[Brian GT PRO]

Originally Posted by Italia335i

Why not try different tuners?

Can this car run with the stock tune and your upgraded turbos? If so I know of another tuner that can help you out.

please PM me.

[thegeneral101]

Originally Posted by Brian GT PRO

currently, we are under a company restructure (not financial, but staffing/company direction), and allowed our sponsorship to laps, however once we get back on track, we will renew our sponsorship for sure.

hope everything works out for you guys