[dxb335d]

Terrible the amount of people who lost their lives this very day 9 years
ago. Let's all spare a thought for their
families.


RIP

[SpmnE9zero]

Wow what a tragic day; I remember exactly where I was and what I was doing when it all took place, I will never forget it!
RIP

[dxb335d]

Me to Mate. Such a sad day. I was watching
it Live on TV when the 2nd plane struck.

Awful.

[SpmnE9zero]

Originally Posted by dxb335d

Me to Mate. Such a sad day. I was watching
it Live on TV when the 2nd plane struck.

Awful.

I just got home on Thursday to Pittsburgh Pa from a vacation the wife, baby, and I took to visit NYC. When I was going across the bridge, we saw the twin lights screaming up into the sky from where the towers used to be situated, kinda takes you back for a minute!

[lastMleft]

That was a terrible day, our country was attacked for no reason many people lost there lives, I will NEVER forget and I cannot forgive the people who did this

[Steve A]

RIP to all the lost souls, however i think something fishy went on there. there is to much smoke (no smoke without fire) regarding how the towers fell like a demolition had occurred compounded to the fact that the Lease holder of the twin towers said on live tv that they had "agreed to pull it" refering to Tower 7 that fell later in the day. To "pull it" is a demolition term mean bring the building down.

Ive been fascinated over this since it happened. If anyone is inyterested id take the time out to watch these 2 documentaries. If nothing else it will make you think about possibilities.

911 in plane sight
Loose change

try and find the full length versions

[SpmnE9zero]

Originally Posted by Steve A

RIP to all the lost souls, however i think something fishy went on there. there is to much smoke (no smoke without fire) regarding how the towers fell like a demolition had occurred compounded to the fact that the Lease holder of the twin towers said on live tv that they had "agreed to pull it" refering to Tower 7 that fell later in the day. To "pull it" is a demolition term mean bring the building down.

Ive been fascinated over this since it happened. If anyone is inyterested id take the time out to watch these 2 documentaries. If nothing else it will make you think about possibilities.

911 in plane sight
Loose change

try and find the full length versions

I dont want to turn this into politics and what not, because that is not the intent of this thread, but I as an American I am a little skeptical myself about everything that happened that day. I mean come on, we have one of the most powerful (and supposedly intelligent) military's in the world and we just let numerous planes crash into the pentagon and the towers without bringing them down before they reached their destinations??? Seems a little hard to believe to me.

I also have a feeling the plane that went down in Somerset, which is about an hour from me (yes I have gone to see the site) was in fact shot down, I think all the evidence points to the hostages take over being somewhat of a success.

Maybe they couldnt fly the plane and that is why it went down, but I think they had plenty of time to figure out at least how to keep it off the ground until they reached someone via radio. I have been in the cockpit of planes and have flown in quite a few smaller planes with friends and they are not that hard to keep off the ground, I think they shot it down personally.

[Carrera RSR]

Originally Posted by rider

our country was attacked for no reason

Others would disagree around the world

Terrible attack, yes. Countless innocent lives lost, yes. No reason? Stop watching CNN and Fox news!!

Not sure we will ever find the real account of what happened behind the 'conspiracy' stories.

[Express]

lets not let this get out of hand... everyone has their own opinions.

regardless, i remember exactly what i was wearing that day. terrible..

RIP



i still have the newspaper from the next day. brings back all the thoughts and questions which i still have and never forget.

[Em135eye]

On the bright side, it's our 11th wedding anniversary!

[simples]

'bellow is a quote from an ex demolition person'

Some people have argued that the twin towers went down, within a half hour of one another, because of the way they were constructed. Well, those 425,000 cubic yards of concrete and 200,000 tons of steel were designed to hold up against a Boeing 707, the largest plane built at the time the towers were completed in 1973. Analysis had shown that a 707 traveling at 600 miles an hour (and those had four engines) would not cause major damage. The twin-engine Boeing 757s that hit on 9/11 were going 440 and 550 miles an hour.

Still, we are told that a molten, highly intense fuel mixture from the planes brought down these two steel-framed skyscrapers. Keep in mind that no other such skyscraper in history had ever been known to collapse completely due to fire damage. So could it actually have been the result of a controlled demolition from inside the buildings? I don't claim expertise about this, but I did work four years as part of the Navy's underwater demolition teams, where we were trained to blow things to hell and high water. And my staff talked at some length with a prominent physicist, Steven E. Jones, who says that a "gravity driven collapse" without demolition charges defies the laws of physics. These buildings fell, at nearly the rate of free-fall, straight down into their own footprint, in approximately ten seconds. An object dropped from the roof of the 110-story-tall towers would reach the ground in about 9.2 seconds. Then there's the fact that steel beams that weighed as much as 200,000 pounds got tossed laterally as far as 500 feet.

Last Picture.....

[tony20009]

I remember that day quite well. I suspect I always will.

Besides sitting in my (then) office in Jersey City, watching the planes fly into the building, some of the things that surprised me were:

• The way fate works for on most days at that time of morning, I'd have been in the WTC subway station transfering to the Path Train. It just so happened that we had an early morning meeting that day.
• Driving south to DC and seeing the cloud of smoke all the way to Philly
• Even knowing nothing about NJ/NYC burbs, I managed, after a client employee dropped me off there, from Morristown, NJ to Short Hills, NJ and then to I-95 (no nav -- I was in a rental car)
• Seeing no vehicles headed north other than fire and rescue vehicles...this on on I-95
• Getting to DC and finding the city (down by the museums and monuments) eerily empty
• The irony in that I had found my way out of one disaster zone only to arrive in the other

Bless all those who've lost loved ones -- on both sides of the fence -- in this battle for frankly I don't know what...

[crzylildude]

My prayers to all who lost a family member on that tragic day... and prayers also to their families...

[themetz]

When I was younger, I always wondered what sort of event would have to occur for my generation to say "I remember exactly where I was when..."

I remember taking and making a couple of calls at work very early in the morning, and one customer asked had I heard the news... the phone didn't ring again all day and on the journey home that evening we saw people sobbing in their cars as they listened to the reports.

One hell of an event that shaped the decade ahead and, no doubt, beyond.

I wonder now what events will shape my childrens memories...

[Swiller]

Rip. My deepest respects to all those who lost their lives. The fact is, it was planned, executed and media managed by the us govt, and their allies. In the 80s it was nuclear war that scared us, in the 90s, global warming, in the noughties it was terrorism, in the current decade, it's financial collapse.
Buildings of that stature only collapse if they are blown up from beneath.
Rip

[Dave_3]

Originally Posted by Swiller

Rip. My deepest respects to all those who lost their lives. The fact is, it was planned, executed and media managed by the us govt, and their allies. In the 80s it was nuclear war that scared us, in the 90s, global warming, in the noughties it was terrorism, in the current decade, it's financial collapse.
Buildings of that stature only collapse if they are blown up from beneath.
Rip

Are you wise ?

All the conspiracy theories are quite frankly farcical, requiring hugely organised and managed events involving many people, planes and planted explosives in multiple buildings with utter (as in no leak) secrecy - totally unrealistic.

It may make it easier for people to come to terms with an event that they think warrants a grandiose cause, rather than tragic set of cruel events.

As to the us military doing nothing ..... Look at the speed of response in New Orleans. Without a hurricane that would be prime conspiracy material too. But, sadly, also just a tragic set of events that caught people unaware.

D.

[briers]

I too remember where i was on Sep 11th 9 years ago, an awful awful day, probably one of the worse tragedies i've seen in my short ish life.

I too don't wish to upset anyone that might be connected with this event but i too have my reservations over how the towers fell.

They collapsed too perfectly if you know what i mean. The actual time to collapse was extremely similar to the amount of time it would have taken to drop a snooker ball off the top, i.e. freefall.

The official theory was pancaking, this would have introduced a significant amount of resistance, increasing the fall time which is not consistent with the time it actually took. Plus the melting point of steel is 1300 degrees C but jet fuel only burn's at or a little over half the heat. Watching the live feeds it struck me as odd as the smoke was black indicating lack of air so not even burning at it's highest point. So i can't see how it could have weakened the structure. I just found the whole thing very odd.

And since then i've seen a few documentaries explaining how the core structures were built to withstand bigger plane impacts, also how the owner of the complex very recently renegotiated an insurance deal to cover acts of terrorism. Also how the window maintenance alone was costing millions and that there were more forward buying on the stock market, something like 4 times as many put stock options bough during the 2 weeks leading up to the collapse than any other time in history. I.e. an abnormal number of people who had shares in American Airlines sold short their shares just before 9/11. The history shows a trend and no other time in history had this happened on this scale. 4 times as many short sells. That abnormal, indicating someone knew. Oh and didn't George bush slip up several interviews the first one stating that both towers had collapsed when only 1 had.

I also remember on the day thinking to myself, why would the worlds biggest superpower let not one but 3 planes fly off course and not take them down or intercept. Thats when i found out that donald rumsfeld took control of the flight training exercise for the first time in history on the day the attack happened. He organised exercises in the opposite direction and the excercise just happened to be a hi-jacking confusing all the pilots when the real thing happened. If you look at us, we intercept russian jets on our scottish borders so why on earth was a plane allowed to travel 100's of miles of course.



Anyway....

[lastMleft]

Originally Posted by Carrera RSR

Others would disagree around the world

Terrible attack, yes. Countless innocent lives lost, yes. No reason? Stop watching CNN and Fox news!!

Not sure we will ever find the real account of what happened behind the 'conspiracy' stories.

Yes I will say it again NO REASON, i will elaborate there is NO GOOD REASON why all those people died, are we clear?

[tony20009]

Conspiracy stories??? I've seen them discussed on some credible news programs and on the Internet. I don't believe it.

Reason why those people died
I don't in any way condone what the folks who orchestrated and executed the plane hijackings did. That said, there can be little doubt that the US government does do things that piss off people in other countries and that the US government is convinced of the infallibility of its policies, and there is no doubt that the US is clearly biased toward the plight of the Jewish Arabs rather than the Palestine Arabs.

Rider is correct, there is no GOOD reason why all those people died. Unfortunately, we live in an era where human nature is frankly little from what it was 75,000 years ago. When humans are pushed into a corner -- politically or otherwise -- they will lash out. There are, in the 21st century, many ways they can do so and unfortunately, it's just not possible to prevent every instance of their doing so.

So as long as the US government is going to piss off other governments and peoples (be it deliberately or by dint of ignorance or arrogance) , it's tacitly saying that it feels it can protect the greater majority of Americans, but there will be casualties as the attackers need to be successful only once and the US government knows it cannot thwart every attack. The laws of statistics guarantee as much. If there is any conspiracy, it's that the US government simply won't admit to the citizens that it finds the loss of some of them, from time to time, acceptable.

[NFS]

Originally Posted by Swiller

Buildings of that stature only collapse if they are blown up from beneath.

That simply isn't true.

The WTC towers were not designed to withstand an impact from a plane. This was not a requirement for any tall building.

[willhollin]

What about Tower 7?

[Carrera RSR]

Originally Posted by NFS

That simply isn't true.

The WTC towers were not designed to withstand an impact from a plane. This was not a requirement for any tall building.

Watching a programme again last night it is clear they went down from the top, not the bottom.

In another programme I saw some years ago an aircraft impact was designed in to the structure from a small Cessna type up to a passenger plane. What wasn't in the design was the speed and quantity of aviation fuel which caused the explosion and subsequent fire.

There does seem to be a mix of views and programmes. The 9/11 programme on C4 last night which I switched off as this was an account from the US government as this had interviews from Condolisa Rice and other head figures. They will never admit to any incompetence nor involvement either way in the outcome. I did watch the '102 minutes' which had heaps of amateur footage which had no commentary just an as it happened account. Seeing people driven to a point that jumping out of a building is better than burning is a awful thing to watch and very haunting to me let alone family and friends of the victims.

Just to fuel the fire! How many innocent Afghans and Iraqis have lost their lives since. I can't recall the figures that have been bandied around in the press? Let alone the many hundreds/thousands of our Heroes who are alleged to be 'fighting terrorism'!! in these countries.

UK Heroes exceed 514 deaths

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10634102

US troop deaths have exceeded 1270

Plus coalition forces we would now be looking at over the death toll on 9/11

Civilian deaths in Afghanistan - 10,000 (subject to which survey)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilia..._(2001–present)

Civilian deaths in Iraq - 100,000 (subject to which survey)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War