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      03-12-2019, 11:19 PM   #353
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I need help.

Awesome information everyone.

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      07-23-2019, 09:19 AM   #354
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Great post, kudos to everyone for all the info. I've started on my 09 335d, doing it on jack stands. I used truck jack stands, have the car about 2 ft up in the air, easier to get under it.

In doing the egr delete, the bolts on the exhaust side of the cooler rounded off, so I pulled the small turbo and tubes out of the way to eventually get the bolts out. This made it much easier to unhook the DPF.

One suggestion I have is to have a set of the wobble type extensions, harbor freight sells them cheap. The shortest one on an air ratchet makes quick work of everything. These also help out on the motor mount bracket bolts. It took a couple of hours to get everything apart, but not that bad. It was a nice break from pulling the transmission out of my bulldozer.

I'm waiting on the turbo oil return lines and gasket, which were leaking. Once those parts are replaced, I'll get it back together.
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      07-28-2019, 11:26 AM   #355
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I just did my 2012 X5 35D, thanks for all the information, it was definitely helpful.

I'll apologize if I just missed it, but none of the delete threads I've read speak to the codes typically thrown with battery disconnect. Maybe this is too basic, but my lack of familiarity made them a surprise. The codes I received were 55C3 and 55D0, VTG AWD limp-home no DSC specified and Steering Wheel angle error. These codes were cleared simply by turning the wheel lock to lock.

Also, I initially looped the vacuum line from both ERG coolers together. It did NOT like this and threw a 4530 code, Charge Pressure Control High Pressure stage; control deviation charging pressure too low/positive control deviation. Simply plugging both line individually cleared that code up.

Again, sorry if I just missed this being covered, but expecting these codes could have saved me some time and research.
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      12-04-2019, 12:58 PM   #356
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Sorry to just jump in here like this (just purchased a 2011 335d)

Does anyone know if the Bosch EDC17 ECU can be flashed via OBDII port?
Seeing some conflicting info. Seems the tuner sites customer service/sales people don't seem too confident in their answers to that question.

Also what exactly does a Tune without DPF/EGR delete do as far as codes go? Drops the related codes and EGR readiness "Not ready?"

Ideally I'd like to have a handheld OBDII that I can swap tunes whenever instead of sending the ECU back and forth. or maybe a spare ECU. (not sure what that entails as far as VIN numbers etc...)

Thanks!
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      12-04-2019, 04:17 PM   #357
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Sorry to just jump in here like this (just purchased a 2011 335d)

Does anyone know if the Bosch EDC17 ECU can be flashed via OBDII port?
Seeing some conflicting info. Seems the tuner sites customer service/sales people don't seem too confident in their answers to that question.

Also what exactly does a Tune without DPF/EGR delete do as far as codes go? Drops the related codes and EGR readiness "Not ready?"

Ideally I'd like to have a handheld OBDII that I can swap tunes whenever instead of sending the ECU back and forth. or maybe a spare ECU. (not sure what that entails as far as VIN numbers etc...)

Thanks!
I have a similar issue, all should be supported but... BMW is hit or miss. I bought the Malone tune because I wanted the same thing, the handheld tuner I got would not read mine. After several different attempts different ways.
My options where to send in mine or pay a deposit and do it myself, I opted for the later. Only because Iíve got so much going on and Iíd rather do it myself.
Unfortunately I decided I didnít have enough light in my shop... then decided if I started the project... better finish it. (New shop) so I ended up building out my whole entire shop first... then bought a 454 C-10... then and then.. so I havenít gotten to unlocking it yet.
Also.. it seemed to me the versions on the list vs mine were.. errm.. off in description. I was assured mine was the same.
What I did find out was mine was a year old, so either bmw, the previous repair shop or the owner had it replaced.
My bet is with the shitty work done to mine that the previous repair facility fucked something up.
Mine is an X5.
I have all the confidence in Malone, Iíve just been the A-hole that hasnt gotten back to the project.
I wouldnít worry about it, just prepare for having to send it in, after that your handheld will work.
Alternatively you could just send it in advance and have piece of mind.
I have two X5ís with tunes, neither was straight forward. I had VF Engineering send me a stage 1 and 2 for my X5M and neither have worked right since day 1.
As with anything BMW... just prepare yourself for the worst and youíll never be dissatisfied! 😂🤘
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      12-04-2019, 05:33 PM   #358
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Sorry to just jump in here like this (just purchased a 2011 335d)

Does anyone know if the Bosch EDC17 ECU can be flashed via OBDII port?
Seeing some conflicting info. Seems the tuner sites customer service/sales people don't seem too confident in their answers to that question.

Also what exactly does a Tune without DPF/EGR delete do as far as codes go? Drops the related codes and EGR readiness "Not ready?"

Ideally I'd like to have a handheld OBDII that I can swap tunes whenever instead of sending the ECU back and forth. or maybe a spare ECU. (not sure what that entails as far as VIN numbers etc...)

Thanks!
I know Jarek/Andrew send out a device that'll read your DDE over OBD. You upload the file and get a tuned file back the next day which you flash to the DDE with the same device over DDE. When all is done you send the device back. The only cost is the shipping. If you want to keep swapping forth and back, your best option is to buy a second DDE unless you want to modify the maps yourself. In that case a bench flasher is probably best.
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I have a similar issue, all should be supported but... BMW is hit or miss. I bought the Malone tune because I wanted the same thing, the handheld tuner I got would not read mine. After several different attempts different ways.
My options where to send in mine or pay a deposit and do it myself, I opted for the later. Only because Iíve got so much going on and Iíd rather do it myself.
Unfortunately I decided I didnít have enough light in my shop... then decided if I started the project... better finish it. (New shop) so I ended up building out my whole entire shop first... then bought a 454 C-10... then and then.. so I havenít gotten to unlocking it yet.
Also.. it seemed to me the versions on the list vs mine were.. errm.. off in description. I was assured mine was the same.
What I did find out was mine was a year old, so either bmw, the previous repair shop or the owner had it replaced.
My bet is with the shitty work done to mine that the previous repair facility fucked something up.
Mine is an X5.
I have all the confidence in Malone, Iíve just been the A-hole that hasnt gotten back to the project.
I wouldnít worry about it, just prepare for having to send it in, after that your handheld will work.
Alternatively you could just send it in advance and have piece of mind.
I have two X5ís with tunes, neither was straight forward. I had VF Engineering send me a stage 1 and 2 for my X5M and neither have worked right since day 1.
As with anything BMW... just prepare yourself for the worst and youíll never be dissatisfied! 😂🤘
Ha - right not my first dance with BMW. it's a love / hate thing for sure. This diesel is kick ass so I'm trying hard to love it, but am in city so can't just wham - bam ABC it.
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I know Jarek/Andrew send out a device that'll read your DDE over OBD. You upload the file and get a tuned file back the next day which you flash to the DDE with the same device over DDE. When all is done you send the device back. The only cost is the shipping. If you want to keep swapping forth and back, your best option is to buy a second DDE unless you want to modify the maps yourself. In that case a bench flasher is probably best.
OK- yeah that makes sense. I think I'll go the second ECU route as Im sure to screw something up when it comes to software and following directions beyond righty-tighty, left loosey. I did get a solid answer from DUDMD on the double ECU thing so should be GTG

By the way thanks for the giant write up. I don't see myself having any issues with the nuts and bolts of the down-pipe etc thanks to your pics etc.
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OK- yeah that makes sense. I think I'll go the second ECU route as Im sure to screw something up when it comes to software and following directions beyond righty-tighty, left loosey. I did get a solid answer from DUDMD on the double ECU thing so should be GTG

By the way thanks for the giant write up. I don't see myself having any issues with the nuts and bolts of the down-pipe etc thanks to your pics etc.
If you cant get into it to read it, having a second wont do you a ton of good.
I almost suggested it, you still need to pull everything from yours so that its optioned properly, not to mention everything else.
You can clone it but again youíre still barking up the same tree.
You have a good chance that one of the handhelds will read it, upload it, wait for your file and then you can switch back and forth on the fly.
I wont be because I am gutting everything.
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      12-04-2019, 11:02 PM   #362
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If you cant get into it to read it, having a second wont do you a ton of good.
I almost suggested it, you still need to pull everything from yours so that its optioned properly, not to mention everything else.
You can clone it but again youíre still barking up the same tree.
You have a good chance that one of the handhelds will read it, upload it, wait for your file and then you can switch back and forth on the fly.
I wont be because I am gutting everything.
yep. I'm getting a second ECU sending them both off. original will remain stock second will be cloned then "tuned" and I can swap ECU's instead of files.

I'm feeling pretty good about buying the 335D now...when initially I had no idea what I was buying ...I just knew it was fast and had to have it. Then I started reading and freaking out about DPF /EGR failures.

I tend to overreact and then map out an escape plan, even though my car has no issues at all.
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I know Jarek/Andrew send out a device that'll read your DDE over OBD. You upload the file and get a tuned file back the next day which you flash to the DDE with the same device over DDE. When all is done you send the device back. The only cost is the shipping. If you want to keep swapping forth and back, your best option is to buy a second DDE unless you want to modify the maps yourself. In that case a bench flasher is probably best.
A better solution is to buy a flashzilla device which will hold up to 5 tune files including your stock tune which you can flash via OBD in about 10-15 mins. A much better option than a 2nd ECU. Malone sells the flashzilla for about 180$
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A better solution is to buy a flashzilla device which will hold up to 5 tune files including your stock tune which you can flash via OBD in about 10-15 mins. A much better option than a 2nd ECU. Malone sells the flashzilla for about 180$
I'll check it out-Thanks!
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