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      06-20-2021, 11:16 PM   #4841
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Something is strange about that log, the DME only thinks it's making 550nm (super low for 20+psi, and timing is 7 deg advanced over mine), not to mention a similar 100-200 time (10-10.5 seconds) to mine, keep in mind I am a 2+ 6mt E93 chonk and this is an auto car, and mine is having issues. Obviously I am here for help so I am far from the most knowledgeable on these things but unless he chopped off a cylinder this log doesn't make sense to me
IAT is going to be a huge factor in a scenario like this. Your power potential drops significantly with IATs at 100 F and it goes all the way up to 140 in this log. 20+psi at ~115F is a lot different than 20+psi at even 95-100. Other than that, I have no clue. I'm nowhere near as insane as this guy is to run this tune lmao.
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https://datazap.me/u/e92dave/nicolo-...?log=0&data=21

Uploaded it to my datazap, looks like the 29 is actually during a boost spike but either way, this log is wild. WGDC stays above 90 pretty much the whole time LMAO. Makes it look like a massive boost leak.
lol, looks like a mess, way off boost targets and turbo's probably gone go pop, at least he'll go out with a bang lol. Which turbos this on?
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Something is strange about that log, the DME only thinks it's making 550nm (super low for 20+psi, and timing is 7 deg advanced over mine), not to mention a similar 100-200 time (10-10.5 seconds) to mine, keep in mind I am a 2+ 6mt E93 chonk and this is an auto car, and mine is having issues. Obviously I am here for help so I am far from the most knowledgeable on these things but unless he chopped off a cylinder this log doesn't make sense to me
Didn't even bother having a proper look but, this just proves what a mess the log is, nowhere near as fast as he thinks it is. We're all here for help mate, some more knowledgeable than others.

Chopped of a cylinder!

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IAT is going to be a huge factor in a scenario like this. Your power potential drops significantly with IATs at 100 F and it goes all the way up to 140 in this log. 20+psi at ~115F is a lot different than 20+psi at even 95-100. Other than that, I have no clue. I'm nowhere near as insane as this guy is to run this tune lmao.
Oh I'm no stranger to IATs, I recently ditched my stock intercooler after stage 2 (15psi) was putting me from 100 to 170 F IATs in one pull. Yes, a single third gear pull. But even so at 140+ degree IATs and 14psi the DME thought it was making 580Nm of torque. My last 2+ one that I posted here was 104 degree IATs constant through the pull, and the DME still thought it was making 590-600Nm (which is pretty accurate if you look at 2+ dynos). I don't know, maybe I'm trusting the DME's torque figure a bit much but I would imagine it's not too far off given it's probably calculated from MAP and AFR. A car with 20-30% higher MAP making 10% less calculated torque, I dunno it's just odd to me
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Oh I'm no stranger to IATs, I recently ditched my stock intercooler after stage 2 (15psi) was putting me from 100 to 170 F IATs in one pull. Yes, a single third gear pull. But even so at 140+ degree IATs and 14psi the DME thought it was making 580Nm of torque. My last 2+ one that I posted here was 104 degree IATs constant through the pull, and the DME still thought it was making 590-600Nm (which is pretty accurate if you look at 2+ dynos). I don't know, maybe I'm trusting the DME's torque figure a bit much but I would imagine it's not too far off given it's probably calculated from MAP and AFR. A car with 20-30% higher MAP making 10% less calculated torque, I dunno it's just odd to me
MHD states around that figure (Upto about 650nm on Ethanol map, if I recall correct) it should be reasonably accurate. No idea about calculations.
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MHD states around that figure so it should be reasonably accurate. No idea about calculations.
Right? So somebody running a tune with 8-9psi higher AND advanced timing making significantly less torque? IATs ain't gonna do that alone unless they are absolutely astronomical. Maybe it's running on hydrogen, Toyota borrowed an N54 to test for the hydrogen Yaris
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Right? So somebody running a tune with 8-9psi higher AND advanced timing making significantly less torque? IATs ain't gonna do that alone unless they are absolutely astronomical. Maybe it's running on hydrogen, Toyota borrowed an N54 to test for the hydrogen Yaris
Yeah it's not just IAT's, if it's stock turbos then he really wants it to blow lol.

Hydrogen bomb

Torque can be capped or limited for example using XHP or by map, but those psi levels are for hybrid turbos, nobody in their right mind would try running them on stock ones, it's not even any faster than a stage 2+ map, turbo's are screaming and he's probably bragging about 29psi 🤣
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Tried to do logs for the 2nd time yesterday.

I started off in M3 at 3000 RPMs, mashed the pedal, got to 6000 RPMs and the car shifted into 4th on it's own. At 7000 RPMs I backed off then the car shifted back into 3rd. I did this 3 times hoping I could shift to 4th but the car did it.

Here are the logs: https://datazap.me/u/gregrobin/gregs...og=0&data=3-22

Looks like I am at 14 - 18 PSI?
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Tried to do logs for the 2nd time yesterday.

I started off in M3 at 3000 RPMs, mashed the pedal, got to 6000 RPMs and the car shifted into 4th on it's own. At 7000 RPMs I backed off then the car shifted back into 3rd. I did this 3 times hoping I could shift to 4th but the car did it.

Here are the logs: https://datazap.me/u/gregrobin/gregs...&data=3-22

Looks like I am at 14 - 18 PSI?
Yep, looks like you're peaking around 16psi. Log looks pretty good except for the LPFP dropping very low. You don't want it to drop below 55psi.

Could be the sensor but based on the typical failure mode, and the failure I experienced (stuck reading 30-50psi at all times) i'd say pump, since it seems to sit at the proper psi and just plummets with the pull.

Edit: on mobile, I apologize for missing the lag in spool
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Tried to do logs for the 2nd time yesterday.

I started off in M3 at 3000 RPMs, mashed the pedal, got to 6000 RPMs and the car shifted into 4th on it's own. At 7000 RPMs I backed off then the car shifted back into 3rd. I did this 3 times hoping I could shift to 4th but the car did it.

Here are the logs: https://datazap.me/u/gregrobin/gregs...og=0&data=3-22

Looks like I am at 14 - 18 PSI?
That looks really laggy, taking about 2000rpm till it reaches boost target at about 5k, your wastegates rattling/tired?

At 3k boost should be building up almost instantly.
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Tried to do logs for the 2nd time yesterday.

I started off in M3 at 3000 RPMs, mashed the pedal, got to 6000 RPMs and the car shifted into 4th on it's own. At 7000 RPMs I backed off then the car shifted back into 3rd. I did this 3 times hoping I could shift to 4th but the car did it.

Here are the logs: https://datazap.me/u/gregrobin/gregs...&data=3-22

Looks like I am at 14 - 18 PSI?
That looks really laggy, taking about 2000rpm till it reaches boost target at about 5k, your wastegates rattling/tired?
I have no idea, I don't hear a rattle, how would I check for this?

How do I check the LPFP or sensor as well?
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I have no idea, I don't hear a rattle, how would I check for this?

How do I check the LPFP or sensor as well?
You'll have to physically check or get someone to check if there's play on the actuator arms and tighten.

https://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=176269



Just to note any software fix to Wastegate rattle will introduce lag.
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I have no idea, I don't hear a rattle, how would I check for this?

How do I check the LPFP or sensor as well?
You'll have to physically check or get someone to check if there's play on the actuator arms and tighten.

https://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=176269

Just to note any software fix to Wastegate rattle will introduce lag.
I do know he's still on stock downpipes, not totally sure how that would play into lag. I'm sure there would be more but, I'd doubt 1500rpm more than compared to catless dps.
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I do know he's still on stock downpipes, not totally sure how that would play into lag. I'm sure there would be more but, I'd doubt 1500rpm more than compared to catless dps.
Stock downpipes shouldn't cause any lag, I'm on stock downpipes and it takes about ~ 500-600rpm to hit boost target from wot at 2.5k

I can only imagine 4 x longer would be painfully laggy. Can't think of anything other than tired wastegates causing the lag.
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I watched the video and did some research, I don't think I have the ticking wastegate issue, never heard this sound before.
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I watched the video and did some research, I don't think I have the ticking wastegate issue, never heard this sound before.
I can definitely say the stock downpipes hide it a lot. I'd never heard any at all either, first startup with my downpipes and I went "You're fucking kidding me…". I don't think the issue is your wastegates though, I could totally be wrong of course.

Looking at the logs on my computer now.

So looking at them, I don't want to say wastegates bc if they weren't seating properly, your boost would not be as steady as it is once you hit target. It my take you a while to hit target but after that you're right on target to redline. To me it looks almost like their is some kind of restriction causing slow spool. Are you on stock airbox? (I'd be really curious to see how you'd do with downpipes. I almost want to say like a clogged cat but you'd likely have bigger issues).

Your WGDC is also kind of high once you hit target. I too run 1+ and looking at my last log on datazap, once I hit target (only takes me 300rpm) my WGDC sits around 45-50 while yours is at 63 pretty much the whole way after you hit target. Normally a higher WGDC may indicate a boost leak but unless this is some leak that is sealing itself back up under enough boost, I doubt it. At this point i'd probably start by checking vacuum coming out of the canisters, if it's steady and around 20 or above i'd suggest trying to test your boost solenoids. If your wastegate vacuum lines haven't been changed, i'd do it. The rear is really easy and tbh I found the front fairly easy with the canisters removed. Took me probably 20 minutes to replace the front line, including canister removal. Just use some silicone lube on the lines and they slide on pretty easy.
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I watched the video and did some research, I don't think I have the ticking wastegate issue, never heard this sound before.
I can definitely say the stock downpipes hide it a lot. I'd never heard any at all either, first startup with my downpipes and I went "You're fucking kidding me…". I don't think the issue is your wastegates though, I could totally be wrong of course.

Looking at the logs on my computer now.

So looking at them, I don't want to say wastegates bc if they weren't seating properly, your boost would not be as steady as it is once you hit target. It my take you a while to hit target but after that you're right on target to redline. To me it looks almost like their is some kind of restriction causing slow spool. Are you on stock airbox? (I'd be really curious to see how you'd do with downpipes. I almost want to say like a clogged cat but you'd likely have bigger issues).

Your WGDC is also kind of high once you hit target. I too run 1+ and looking at my last log on datazap, once I hit target (only takes me 300rpm) my WGDC sits around 45-50 while yours is at 63 pretty much the whole way after you hit target. Normally a higher WGDC may indicate a boost leak but unless this is some leak that is sealing itself back up under enough boost, I doubt it. At this point i'd probably start by checking vacuum coming out of the canisters, if it's steady and around 20 or above i'd suggest trying to test your boost solenoids. If your wastegate vacuum lines haven't been changed, i'd do it. The rear is really easy and tbh I found the front fairly easy with the canisters removed. Took me probably 20 minutes to replace the front line, including canister removal. Just use some silicone lube on the lines and they slide on pretty easy.
Thank you for taking the time to do this analysis for me and the thoughtful reply. No I'm not on the stock air box, I have DCIs.

Looks like I have more work to do.
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Delay to boost is because of kickdown. The pulls started in 3rd and it shifted to 2nd in all 3 before it went anywhere. That takes time and doesn't start until WOT/full target. WOT without pressing into the kickdown button or disable kickdown.

For those commenting on torques, the torque actual param is an internal DME value and can be set anywhere. It has no bearing whatsoever on power/torque the engine actually making.
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Guess this is the last time I skip looking at gear
lol, yeah forgot about kickdown 🤦
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Thanks again, kickdown is new to me, can someone explain this to me? Or direct me to a link to read.
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Delay to boost is because of kickdown. The pulls started in 3rd and it shifted to 2nd in all 3 before it went anywhere. That takes time and doesn't start until WOT/full target. WOT without pressing into the kickdown button or disable kickdown.

For those commenting on torques, the torque actual param is an internal DME value and can be set anywhere. It has no bearing whatsoever on power/torque the engine actually making.
I thought so on the torque actual value. But that value did seem pretty accurate on that log up above given the 100-200 time, it was around the same as mine and I bet it wasn't an e93. And if it can be set anywhere, wouldn't a tune have to manually set it for it to be inaccurate? Doesn't the DME calculate and update it every x ms? Sorry for dragging this on, just my software engineer side coming out and it sounds like you might know what's actually going on here
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