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10-16-2021, 07:31 PM | #1 |
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I'm a disabled vet that was given this car. The CCC unit went bad so I replaced it because I couldn't afford to have it done by anyone else. Since I was doing the work myself I figured I would do a firmware update on all of my 2006 525XI e60 modules except for the CAS and now I'm having issues. I used K+DCAN cable & WINFPK 5.3.1. with the sp-daten ver 67.1. Everything showed that it completed "OK". Now I have all of these error codes and all kinds of issues. I need help to get back on the road. If I get this fixed I'm never touching this car ever again!!!!
SIM/SGM 93AD 60 SZL 9501 60 94C0 20 94AC 60 STVL/TEFA 963F 20 962C 60 STVR/TEBF 96FD 20 96BF 20 96AC 60 SFZ 9ABF 20 9AAC 60 DME/DDE CD99 84 CDA8 84 CD94 94 2DC3 04 CDB0 04 CDA9 14 CD9F 14 CDAB 14 CDAA 14 CDAE 14 EGS CF1B 24 CF1A 24 CF19 24 CF1E 24 CF21 34 VGSG 54C6 71 55C3 38 55D0 28 DSC D378 A4 D36A A4 D356 A4 D355 A4 5DDF A0 5EBA E0 CAS A0B1 28 KOMBI A3B3 20 A3B9 20 A3AC 20 A556 20 SBSL 984C 70 9857 70 986D 70 9878 70 9891 20 9895 60 983F 20 982C 60 SBSR 98ED 70 98F8 70 9915 60 98BF 20 98AC 60 There has been many lessons learned here. One being, I did a firmware update on all of these at one time and didn't cycle the car every time I updated the firmware. I also had a battery charger attached and NOT a voltage regulator. Lastly and most importantly, I should have had an indie shop do the work but I'm broke and now I don't have a car! Will someone please help me get out of this mess. |
10-16-2021, 09:17 PM | #2 |
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I'm NOT familiar with the E60 525xi, but in just examining the DME & CAS Fault Codes you list:
1) ALL DME Fault Codes except 2DC3 (KL15) are "Message Errors" where DME has NOT received proper message from other Modules; 2) CAS error A0B1 is implausible Selector Lever Position, and that is sent to CAS from EGS via Bus signal; 3) ALSO, I do NOT see ANY JBBF/JBE fault codes. That Module is the "Hub" for Bus communications on E9x models. What does E60 use as Hub? Either the Bus Hub is NOT functioning, OR you have an issue with the Bus communication wiring. I have NEVER done any flashing or reprogramming of Modules. I ONLY try to use INPA and ISTA to diagnose faults. I presume you have INPA installed (part of BMW Standard Tools) if you have WinKFP? Using INPA, I would want to open: 1) INPA > Functional Jobs > F2 Identification, and see what Modules are shown as active and communicating, and ALSO open 2) INPA > Functional Jobs > F4 Fault Memory, ALL Modules SAVE ScreenPrint of EACH of those screens, and post here. If you have ISTA installed, you can also use "Control Unit Tree" or "Control Unit List" to see what Modules are communicating. Information Needed: 1) Please provide Last-7 Characters of your VIN so we can lookup information on your vehicle in ISTA. 2) Please let us know what Diagnostic Software you have available (INPA or ISTA), and if you are NOT familiar with it, we can walk you through HOW to access needed screens and to Save ScreenPrints of those screens to post here. 3) Does Starter Crank engine when START button pressed with foot on Brake? 4) Does Gear Selected ("P") appear in lower display of Instrument Cluster with Ignition ON? 5) What Engine Start issues do you have? See the attached "INPA Tutorial Quickstart" pdf that explains HOW to view, save and Attach INPA ScreenPrints. That pdf also contains example screens from my 328xi. George |
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10-16-2021, 09:20 PM | #3 |
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I'm in ashland.
I'm willing to help you. I'm handy with a computer. PM me your contact information. edit: I've also done e60/61 module replacement programming things. |
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10-17-2021, 07:34 AM | #4 | |
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I'm using the BMW Standard Tools which has INPA WINFPK and NCSExpert with the 67.1 so-daten files that I got off of MEGA download site. I'm using the k+DCAN cable to connect to the car via laptop. Last 6 of VIN: 6CS34428 I will go and get those screen prints from INPA. I don't have ISTA, I wish I did but I can't find it anywhere. Thank you so much! |
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10-17-2021, 10:11 AM | #5 |
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Sorry, but there is an error in the "Last-7 Characters of VIN" you provided. Please check info on vehicle and post correct "Last-7". VIN (full 17-characters) can be found on Lower-Left corner of Windshield as viewed from outside, Right Strut Tower under Hood, or decal on Lower B-pillar (rear of door frame) when opening Driver Door. Make sure actual VIN on vehicle is what is shown on Vehicle Registration.
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1) "Functional Jobs > F2 Identification" which shows ALL Modules in Vehicle which are communicating (ONE or more may NOT be), and 2) "Functional Jobs > F4 Fault Memory, All Modules" (Multiple Screens; Save/ Post EACH of 3 or 4 Fault Screens). Don't let the German in INPA scare you off. The "Numbers" are same as English, and some of us have used INPA enough that the we have translated and remember the technical terms or "Labels" for values displayed. As stated in the link on Page 5 of "Tutorial", Google Translate does a decent job of translating Technical German to English. If you have the time & interest, just go SLOW with INPA, post screens here, and we'll learn German (and BMW Systems & Diagnosis) together. I would highly recommend SAVING INPA ScreenPrints by MODULE, establishing a Folder for each Module such as DME, CAS, etc., including one for Functional Jobs, which relates to ALL Modules. As for ISTA, try the Link provided in the attached pdf attached below: "E9x References, 210523 Revision". That pdf contains links to a LOT of helpful and reliable references. ALL references contain some errors or omissions, so for any Repair Operation that is complex, I would suggest referring to MULTIPLE references to make sure you have thought through as many DETAILS as possible, BEFORE proceeding. George |
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Since using WinKFP to flash All/Multiple Modules apparently caused the current issues, would you suggest ONLY re-flashing ONE Module at a time to try to identify the fault (re-test for communications faults after each module flashed), and if so, WHICH Module should OP begin with? The "Hub"? ANYONE got an E60 who can provide list of ALL Modules in Vehicle, similar to "Functional Jobs > F2 Identification" screenprint? Thanks, George |
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For those of us who do NOT have E6x models, and have refrained from using WinKFP for the reasons you cited in your first post , I would request that you do the following, if time, so we can learn some basics: 1) Post a ScreenPrint of ALL Modules in your vehicle (INPA > Functional Jobs > F2 Identification); 2) According to my reading of ISTA, the E6x vehicles do NOT have a "JBBF/ JBE" Module as the Bus Gateway, but rather call it "Body Gateway Module, KGM"; I would be interested in seeing if that NOW appears in the "F2, Identification" Screen, AND if there are any Fault Codes currently present in that Module. 3) For folks like me who are WARY of messing with the Programming in ANY Module, can you summarize WHAT you have learned about HOW to do that using BMW Standard Tools, whether regular Battery Charger (6 to 10 Amp charge rate) is OK, or whether a "Regulated Power Supply" is needed? Thanks, George |
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10-17-2021, 11:57 AM | #11 | |
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but a lot of stuff also interchanges. I have an e60 SDARS unit in my e90 because it had a lifetime subscription attached. same unit. the general architecture of all of it is very similar. there are no more e6x vehicles in my life. |
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10-17-2021, 11:59 AM | #12 | |
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I only update what's needed, and I've done a significant amount of swapping things in my car. |
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10-17-2021, 12:03 PM | #13 | |
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when the car is powered up I see 23a pretty consistently, and that's with the lights and HVAC and extraneous accessories turned off. I used to use a stanley bc series charger, it worked, even for EGS flashes. I know this one to work for basic stuff: https://www.amazon.com/STANLEY-BC25B...4490160&sr=8-1 I later built a power supply from a dell server power supply that kicks out 50+ amps at 13.8V minimum voltage for programming is 13.2 according to the books. edit: I would assume that the fix was to simply default code all those modules using the VO code. winkfp loads the physical firmware, ncsexpert changes the config files to tell the firmware what to do and where it is based on specific vehicle/options. That's what I was going to do first anyhow, after verifying that they were all actually on the bus and there to be talked to. a little sg codieren and off ya go. |
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In general you can program one module at a time without a power supply
if you have a strong battery . But you need to check that before and after programming for for voltage drop and I wouldn't do it on Engine and Engine related modules . Good idea to take some time an learn something about the car from Georges links although they are 3 series related ( there may be similar stuff on the 5 series board) You dodged a major bullet pretty fast. diagnostic manual ista/inpa https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...xo19teM9vkTF-C https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...7x8H3pN8h1fMuF https://bimmerprofs.com/diagnostics-inpa-part-1/ https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...lkXEhlQYy4i9Nb https://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/s...-P-actually-do https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/at...1&d=1590283589 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...kBbC27TJLX3BGe https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...WekqhcC6hsgK2c primary links https://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1681573 https://www.nathansbmwworkshop.com/b...or-dean-videos ista problems https://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1661945 https://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1581663 there are some cool tweeks you can make with programming such as windows up with remote. No auto air conditioning on start up . There is a list on the coding sub forum. Last edited by ctuna; 10-17-2021 at 04:56 PM.. |
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huge thread on there with many different schematics for a bunch of different power supplies. RC people been using them for cheap hi current battery charging power supplies. I had to bypass the current and voltage protections and set te output voltage using a resistor across the PSUs load sensing pins, but that's specific to each model. |
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