[sflgator]

Originally Posted by catm3

I have a hard time believing that they would test some extreme tune then try to sell one that makes half the power. They'd get calls all day with people wanting to buy the extreme tune. I personally wouldn't want a flash that makes the same, if not less, than PROcede V1.

I am sure a Dinan flash is in the works, but I doubt it has anything to do with this time posted on Dragtimes.

What is your take on this then...what's your theory?

[Walked U]

This thread is cracking me up hahaha.

[bnj]

I would think for that power level the ECU password should have been cracked. I did not know that would have happened. We need to ask Dinan directly to get more knowledge of this. Or is there a chance to try to find the poster?

[sflgator]

Originally Posted by Walked U

This thread is cracking me up hahaha.

Yeah, I thinking of editing my info on DragTimes.com to say "Dinan-PROcede 335i, equipped with the the Dinan DME flash, PROcede 335i, Nitrous, exhaust"... and whatever else I can think of. Then, I'm going to do a little PS to my timeslip to read "11.097 sec. @ 126.67mph" and repost it.

[533ogetnom]

Originally Posted by M&M

I have 6MT + CDV. I have no issues launching hard.

yes you would/should if you have cdv theres no way you could be launching to your maximum potential, the clutch control is not there

[533ogetnom]

Originally Posted by Grogan545

I suspect will will find that this time is correct.I don't think there was any special track prep because the 60' time(1.9) is not that good.Maybe the dinan set up in this car was maxed out for HP.This may not be the product they will sell to the public.I suspect a tamer version will be whats actually sold.

he had to have done something, even evos have issues launching at that track

[leftcoastman]

Originally Posted by 533ogetnom

yes you would/should if you have cdv theres no way you could be launching to your maximum potential, the clutch control is not there

M&M is using the infamous "brake torque on a 6MT" technique and getting 1.9 0-60ft times.....at 5500ft....on stock wheels and tires....to result in 12.8 passes.

I'd say he can launch.

[533ogetnom]

Originally Posted by leftcoastman

M&M is using the infamous "brake torque on a 6MT" technique and getting 1.9 0-60ft times.....at 5500ft....on stock wheels and tires....to result in 12.8 passes.

I'd say he can launch.

... thats not a normal approach so it doesnt really apply, so im not really sure what his point was in the first place

but just for you ill rephrase my response

if you launch like a NORMAL person, the CDV will not allow you to launch to your maximum potential due to less control of the clutch

happy?


id like to hear more about that though as i seem to have missed it, sounds like lots of burning clutch though

[Carlitos_SS]

Originally Posted by PresaMat

Possible idea:

BMW is breaking away from Dinan... creating their own line of performance parts. It could be possible Dinan isnt too happy with this. What would be a better way to say fsck you then release an ECU flash for the 335 that would make buying the m3 less appealing. A lot of people think Dinan is the way to go b/c of the past with BMW... lets see "40K 335 + $2500 or so for Dinan and get a car as fast or faster then the new $70K M3".

What do yall think?

Mat

I don't think people buy M3's to go fast in a straight line. They buy them to go fast on the track. The 335i will take a lot more than $2500/Flash/piggyback to keep up with an M3 around the track for more than a couple of laps.

'Los

[Walked U]

Originally Posted by 533ogetnom

... thats not a normal approach so it doesnt really apply, so im not really sure what his point was in the first place

but just for you ill rephrase my response

if you launch like a NORMAL person, the CDV will not allow you to launch to your maximum potential due to less control of the clutch

happy?


id like to hear more about that though as i seem to have missed it, sounds like lots of burning clutch though

Im not 100% sure on the answer but i think he was referring to a thread a while back asking if anyone knew how to brake tourqe in a 6mt.

In the thread there was someone saying that lauching with you ebrake up acting like a toruqe converter or a stall on a auto, would yeild better times than just launching the car regular.

[Grogan545]

Originally Posted by catm3

I have a hard time believing that they would test some extreme tune then try to sell one that makes half the power. They'd get calls all day with people wanting to buy the extreme tune. I personally wouldn't want a flash that makes the same, if not less, than PROcede V1.

I am sure a Dinan flash is in the works, but I doubt it has anything to do with this time posted on Dragtimes.

I somewhat agree with you in theory but I still think in order to run a 12.53 with a 1.9 60' time you need about 400 HP at the wheels.All other tuners are not even close to this HP#.If Dinan is getting 400 at the wheels,they are running a lot more boost than anyone else.This could mean reliability problems down the road.

[533ogetnom]

Originally Posted by Walked U

In the thread there was someone saying that lauching with you ebrake up acting like a toruqe converter or a stall on a auto, would yeild better times than just launching the car regular.

yea i get the general idea, i want specifics! lol

lots of burning clutch

[M&M]

Yeah I have been using that technique. Have some logs which Left-Coast-genius has. I can't do it anymore tho, as it just makes smoke now. Smokey burnouts.

But on a good surface, you can rev it up, pull the e-brake, just before the light goes green load it up against the e-brake so the back drops a tad & the car "spring loads" against the e-brake. When the light goes green you feed the power & release the clutch in one fluid motion & it jumps like a scalded cat. You can't load it for too long, & you have to feed the power progressively or else you smell dead skunk.

[bnj]

Having the "normal fast launch" by dropping the clutch is not very healthy either. Dropping clutch was exactly why CDV was developed in the first place. Replacing clutch is a lot cheaper than replacing the transmission.

[pittyinSC]

So will modifying or taking out my CDV help me have faster shifts or what because my 1-2 shift is not very crisp

[CanadianTSi]

I don't see what the Big Deal is??

Procede V2 should be out in a couple weeks and with a good driver should run close to the same times whereas the Dinan flash is still 6-8 weeks away...

[Carlitos_SS]

Originally Posted by Grogan545

I somewhat agree with you in theory but I still think in order to run a 12.53 with a 1.9 60' time you need about 400 HP at the wheels.All other tuners are not even close to this HP#.If Dinan is getting 400 at the wheels,they are running a lot more boost than anyone else.This could mean reliability problems down the road.

IMO, 400whp is not needed for the times that are claimed. My Camaro (3600 lbs full weight) went 12.7 @ 112 with a 2.2 60' and I'm only making about 370ish to the wheels. I put some stickier tires on the following week with no better results because I then spun my 60k mile stock clutch. My point is, if I had shaved .3 off of my 60', that would have been an easy 12.3 run. Now, a recent post showed the Procede making 333 whp with 91 octane fuel. If this "Dinan" car was using a 93 octane tune with +1-1.5 psi boost, this car should put down in the 360-370 whp range. Plenty for a 12.3 @ 114 timeslip.

'Los

[Walked U]

Originally Posted by bnj

Having the "normal fast launch" by dropping the clutch is not very healthy either. Dropping clutch was exactly why CDV was developed in the first place. Replacing clutch is a lot cheaper than replacing the transmission.

Well theres more than 1 way to launch a car not just clutch dumping.

I personally feather since Ive yeilded better times and kept me from buying a new clutch.

[533ogetnom]

Originally Posted by bnj

Having the "normal fast launch" by dropping the clutch is not very healthy either. Dropping clutch was exactly why CDV was developed in the first place. Replacing clutch is a lot cheaper than replacing the transmission.

that would just result in bald tires...

[DrDomer]

HP calculator puts this 12.3 pass at 414HP at crank assuming car with driver weighs 3750. Certainly achievable with current technology (i.e., Procede V2).

[mesier1111]

Originally Posted by Driver72

What warranty coverage by Dinan??
How's Dinan going to warranty your engine/drivetrain with an ECU flash when you take your car into a BMW dealership for service and they clearly see the ECU has been flashed.
You can't remove the ECU flash before taking the car in, and even if you could flash it back to stock, the BMW computer will register the ECU flash anyway.
A piggyback, once removed is undetectable to the stock ECU.

If you go to an authorized Dinan BMW dealership, the same mechanic that fixes your 335i when it goes in will be the same guy who installs the Dinan parts. So if they reflash your ecu and the engine blows up, Dinan buys you a new engine, if you are within the warranty (years and miles).

[mesier1111]

Originally Posted by 533ogetnom

if procede couldnt retard timing all of our engines would have holes in them by now

+1000000000000