[Patton250]

I would absolutely own this. There. See if we can compromise. I imagine this things not going to start falling apart on the first day of delivery like Teslas do. that and it’s actually really good looking in my opinion. Unlike any other EV on the market. Still though the Tesla charging station grid all over the country is far superior to where this can get charged right?

https://www.audiusa.com/us/web/en/mo.../overview.html

[Socal_R8]

Originally Posted by Patton250

I would absolutely own this. There. See if we can compromise. I imagine this things not going to start falling apart on the first day of delivery like Teslas do. that and it’s actually really good looking in my opinion. Unlike any other EV on the market. Still though the Tesla charging station grid all over the country is far superior to where this can get charged right?

https://www.audiusa.com/us/web/en/mo.../overview.html

lol...Tesla falls apart on day of delivery

hyperbolize much?

The E-Tron is nice, but I'd rather have an M3 Performance (that out performs it btw) a 718 Cayman and two Sea Doo's for the same price

don't need to speak German to figure out what they're saying....

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

lol...Tesla falls apart on day of delivery

hyperbolize much?

The E-Tron is nice, but I'd rather have an M3 Performance (that out performs it btw) a 718 Cayman and two Sea Doo's for the same price

Brother, you can laugh all you want. That’s the biggest complaint I hear about Tesla. I’m talking about parts on the the inside of it coming off the day of delivery. This is not some sort of secret. This is a well-known problem. Are you saying it’s not true? That it’s not widespread and a big problem?

I’m not really crazy about any of BMWs all electric vehicles. I did check out their SUV last week. It was freaking ugly. And of course I’d rather have an M3 than an electric car but we’re talking about electric cars here. I only requirement would be that it looks good. Unfortunately that’s just very rare. Looks are subjective obviously.
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[Socal_R8]

Originally Posted by Patton250

Brother, you can laugh all you want. That’s the biggest complaint I hear about Tesla. I’m talking about parts on the the inside of it coming off the day of delivery. This is not some sort of secret. This is a well-known problem. Are you saying it’s not true? That it’s not widespread and a big problem?

I’m not really crazy about any of BMWs all electric vehicles. I did check out their SUV last week. It was freaking ugly. And of course I’d rather have an M3 than an electric car but we’re talking about electric cars here. I only requirement would be that it looks good. Unfortunately that’s just very rare. Looks are subjective obviously.
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the company dwarfs BMW and Mercedes in sales and they've only been around about ten years...thats crazy and you don't do that by making cars that you are trying to say they make.

There was the QC issues they had in the early years, but lets not try and act like every car they make has issues...thats ignorant

BTW, I had a E39 back in the day....I think every button in that car eventually fell off

[BGM-M3COMP]

My 2022 m3 rattles.

My 2022 tesla does not.

Yay!

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

the company dwarfs BMW and Mercedes in sales and they've only been around about ten years...thats crazy and you don't do that by making cars that you are trying to say they make.

There was the QC issues they had in the early years, but lets not try and act like every car they make has issues...thats ignorant

BTW, I had a E39 back in the day....I think every button in that car eventually fell off

No doubt about that. I agree with you. But that Audi I posted a link to is better looking than the entire tesla lineup combined. You have to admit that. Lol

[M3WC]

This seems like the thread for this.

How is Porsche going to address this issue with Cayman EV? Enthusiasts do like to attend track days.

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...ning-lap-2023/

Each 4.1-mile hot lap consumed about 20 percent of the i4's state of charge and, as is typical for EVs, power drops off as the battery depletes, so it wasn't productive to do more than one fast lap before hooking it up for a couple-hour recharge.

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by Patton250

No doubt about that. I agree with you. But that Audi I posted a link to is better looking than the entire tesla lineup combined. You have to admit that. Lol

The Audi you posted starts at $144k gets 232 mile range and does 0-60 in 3.1 seconds.

A Model 3 performance costs $54k gets 315 mile range and does 0-60 in the same 3.1 seconds.

Does the Audi look better than the Model 3 yes, does it have better build quality yes. Am I willing to pay an extra $90k to get a car with less range but nicer looks and better build quality? Fuck no!

I'm sure there are some people here who could and would spend an extra $90k for the looks and build quality, but I'm sure the vast majority of people wouldn't, especially the vast majority of people who aren't car people and couldn't give two shits about panel gaps.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

The Audi you posted starts at $144k gets 232 mile range and does 0-60 in 3.1 seconds.

A Model 3 performance costs $54k gets 315 mile range and does 0-60 in the same 3.1 seconds.

Does the Audi look better than the Model 3 yes, does it have better build quality yes. Am I willing to pay an extra $90k to get a car with less range but nicer looks and better build quality? Fuck no!

I'm sure there are some people here who could and would spend an extra $90k for the looks and build quality, but I'm sure the vast majority of people wouldn't, especially the vast majority of people who aren't car people and couldn't give two shits about panel gaps.

Brother, I totally get what you’re saying. The problem for me and I’m talking about me only is the model 3 is freaking ugly as shit. I’m talking Prius ugly. In my opinion, MY personal opinion. The Plaid ain’t much better looking. The model Y is not quite ugly but still disappointing. I love Elon musk and I love the idea of tesla but all of his cars in my opinion are not only ugly but holy shit ugly. Actually worse than ugly. Just stupid looking. Pointy on one end and that dumb ass curve on the back. Ugly like a Prius. That’s the best way I can put it. So I would pay $100,000 more to be in a better looking car. That’s just me. All that even if the Tesla had the best, build quality in the world which from what I understand they don’t.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by dreamingat30fps

The Audi you posted starts at $144k gets 232 mile range and does 0-60 in 3.1 seconds.

A Model 3 performance costs $54k gets 315 mile range and does 0-60 in the same 3.1 seconds.

Does the Audi look better than the Model 3 yes, does it have better build quality yes. Am I willing to pay an extra $90k to get a car with less range but nicer looks and better build quality? Fuck no!

I'm sure there are some people here who could and would spend an extra $90k for the looks and build quality, but I'm sure the vast majority of people wouldn't, especially the vast majority of people who aren't car people and couldn't give two shits about panel gaps.

The etron actually does look better than taycan but both in general look like shit.

Debadge all the cars and the plaid looks tons better than both.

If they made a model 3 plaid it would be lights out for everyone else.

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

Debadge all the cars and the plaid looks tons better than both.

Not a chance. The S looks old now.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Burrcold

Not a chance. The S looks old now.

To you, it still looks better than both the etron and taycan.

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

To you, it still looks better than both the etron and taycan.

Maybe to you. I think they both look WAY better than the Model S...like not even in the same ballpark (I'm not just saying that because it's a Tesla or anything like that...just my honest subjective opinion).

[BGM-M3COMP]

Etron and taycan look like a canoe. Shitty design but it's cool because lots of tesla haters will just name any car and say that looks better. That's cool too.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I mean people buy G8X cars and that shit looks ugly as fuck. I got one but not for long when the lease is up. Hopefully BMW doesn't fuck up the looks of the G90.

Model s looks damn good on the road, ready to destroy anyone who tries. Gotta love the future!

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

Etron and taycan look like a canoe. Shitty design but it's cool because lots of tesla haters will just name any car and say that looks better. That's cool too.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I mean people buy G8X cars and that shit looks ugly as fuck. I got one but not for long when the lease is up. Hopefully BMW doesn't fuck up the looks of the G90.

Model s looks damn good on the road, ready to destroy anyone who tries. Gotta love the future!

You're a fool.

[KRS_SN]

I'm not going to argue with anyone who think teslas looks good. I'd wait till they see their opticians or shrinks before I speak to them again.

[kyriian]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

I'm not going to argue with anyone who think teslas looks good. I'd wait till they see their opticians or shrinks before I speak to them again.

I hate to agree with BGM for once, but he is not wrong when he said looks is 100% subjective.
I bring back to the point that over 100k people looked at the Astek and thought 'yes'. Or perhaps the 'nastyretro' PT cruiser, over a million sold for god's sake.

Teslas in general are too sterile IMHO, less is defenitely less for me not more, but the S is boarderline attractive both the original and the update.

[Burrcold]

Originally Posted by kyriian

I hate to agree with BGM for once, but he is not wrong when he said looks is 100% subjective.

Doesn't sound like he thinks looks are subjective...

Originally Posted by BGM-M3COMP

The etron actually does look better than taycan but both in general look like shit.

Debadge all the cars and the plaid looks tons better than both.

If they made a model 3 plaid it would be lights out for everyone else.

[G35POPPEDMYCHERRY]

alright come on now. teslas are def shit inside. but they look decent from the outside.

[MmmmmM2]

The only Tesla's I think look ok are the Model Y and the Model S (however, the S is in dire need of a redesign.

The Model 3 and Model X are not attractive IMHO.

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by kyriian

I hate to agree with BGM for once, but he is not wrong when he said looks is 100% subjective.
I bring back to the point that over 100k people looked at the Astek and thought 'yes'. Or perhaps the 'nastyretro' PT cruiser, over a million sold for god's sake.

Teslas in general are too sterile IMHO, less is defenitely less for me not more, but the S is boarderline attractive both the original and the update.

Also to add just because I said the etron or taycan looks ugly doesn’t mean I’m saying teslas are the best looking car.

They are a simplistic car maker with the highest tech period.

That’s what they’re good at. That’s why people buy them.

I prefer the iPad screen to buttons, that’s why I favor I drive 8.

But in my opinion the etron and the taycan are ugly ass cars. They look like mashed sausages.

And I’m a Porsche fan btw so it’s not hating on a brand like some people are doing here. Soon people will say they think an aztek is better looking than a plaid.

[KRS_SN]

Originally Posted by kyriian

I hate to agree with BGM for once, but he is not wrong when he said looks is 100% subjective.
I bring back to the point that over 100k people looked at the Astek and thought 'yes'. Or perhaps the 'nastyretro' PT cruiser, over a million sold for god's sake.

Teslas in general are too sterile IMHO, less is defenitely less for me not more, but the S is boarderline attractive both the original and the update.

5 million priuses have been sold. No greater argument to support that looks are subjective I guess.