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      02-16-2023, 06:15 AM   #1277
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Scotty gives his take on EV's (up to 3:0.
Scotty is wound a little tight.
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Scotty is wound a little tight.
I think Scotty talks fast to squeeze his schedule into a limited time frame.
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      02-16-2023, 09:03 AM   #1281
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Oh extremely, by pure chance no one was walking past the trajectory of crashing Tesla or being in that section of building, many more incidents like this and deaths while using the self drive mode where the vehicle controlling computer had a brain storm.
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      02-16-2023, 02:10 PM   #1282
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Well glad you're finally addressing this.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/16/tesl...e-crashes.html
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      02-18-2023, 06:24 PM   #1283
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This one was not in auto pilot mode.
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      02-19-2023, 04:05 AM   #1284
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Well glad you're finally addressing this.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/16/tesl...e-crashes.html
Exactly. Telsa drives over Cliff. Telsa hits parked fire truck.
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Exactly. Telsa drives over Cliff. Telsa hits parked fire truck.
I thought they reviewed the data and charged the father with attempted murder because he purposefully drove over the cliff. Not the self-driving software.
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Exactly. Telsa drives over Cliff. Telsa hits parked fire truck.
There's the two burned to death when their self drive Tesla failed to take a bend and impacted on a tree north of Houston..
https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...rs-seat-police

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There's the two burned to death when their self drive Telsa failed to take a bend and impacted on a tree north of Houston..
https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...rs-seat-police
There are weights and devices people buy to defeat the hands-on-wheel and attentiveness requirements in Teslas. It doesn't say whether or not this was being used, but these are how people are getting them to drive with no input. They are basically defeating the safety systems.
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Here's a great article.......70F and 30KHM is the sweet spot to actually hit the reported range of EV's. It seems that speed and cold reduces EV battery range by 50%.....all of them. The author has been an automotive journalist for decades and is also and electrical engineer.

https://driving.ca/column/motor-mout...HsL_NOlF8VGxP8
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One of my bosses has a Tesla and he's pretty fed up by the lack of infrastructure. He has to drive a lot spontaneously so dependency on home charging doesn't always work. Tesla chargers often have lines and can add hours to his trips. He's often late and has to call into conferences while sitting in his car at a charging station.

I do think EVs suit the needs of your avg consumer really well. But for people who cannot depend on charging at home it can be very difficult and add a lot of anxiety. An EV can work for you 95% of the time, but that 5% of the time it doesn't can completely ruin your day.

Also, EVs don't yet work for enthusiasts who value sound, shifting gears, light weight etc. However even most "enthusiasts" just think 0-60 = sports car. It's just a small contingent of us who really "get" it. We see a corner and think how we can let the car rip through it whereas the avg person gets afraid of a corner and just wants to floor it from a light. Even then, with long commutes and high gas prices, even the biggest die hards will eventually give in.
I blame fast and furious and nascar for this. You have Elon fanboys who think they're "pro racers" because their plaid does 0-60 in 2 seconds or whatever. But it's an AWFUL car in corners not to mention as you said these people don't even know what a corner is and are the ones in the canyon gojng 25mph and holding everyone up. But they're "pro racers" because they can hold the wheel straight and mash thr gas and the only reason they don't torque steer themselves off a cliff (which they absolutely would do), is due to AWD and level 10 traction/stability control. Guarantee you if those systems failed even with AWD they'd mash the pedal and Immeadiately torque steer off a cliff because theyd just make the problem worse and steer IN the direction of the torque steer and or use even more throttle. And this is despite teslas assisted driving being the WORST in the business meanwhile fanboys have been lied to for 10 years about full self driving "coming this year" to raise stock prices so Elon can sell his shares for billoons while his low awareness/iq customers get nothing other than accidents when teslas self driving crashes into a wall and kills someone or themselves.
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LOL can you back up that claim? Or just pulling rabbits out of your ass?
Tesla has 1200 lawsuits many of them major ones. Teslas evaluation is completely bs and makes no sense. It in no way is even a $20 billion company let alone near $1 TRILLION that It was.

Ford makes millions of cars and is smaller than tesla that barely sells any cars, most of them crap, and pumped up by hype, lies, and Elon fanboys who think worshipping him will make them weird awkward aspey billionaires who finally will attract a partner?

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Here's a great article.......70F and 30KHM is the sweet spot to actually hit the reported range of EV's. It seems that speed and cold reduces EV battery range by 50%.....all of them. The author has been an automotive journalist for decades and is also and electrical engineer.

https://driving.ca/column/motor-mout...HsL_NOlF8VGxP8
None of this matters.....if.......... you have adequate public charging. I keep saying it, this transition will not happen until public charging is addressed.
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None of this matters.....if.......... you have adequate public charging. I keep saying it, this transition will not happen until public charging is addressed.
I agree, and that won't happen anytime soon.
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None of this matters.....if.......... you have adequate public charging. I keep saying it, this transition will not happen until public charging is addressed.
Now forgive me for asking this, but when you say public charging, are you talking about government built, government sponsored, and possibly even “free” charging?
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Not free but yes gov funded install for the most part.
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Not free but yes gov funded install for the most part.
I assumed that was your position. You live in Ontario so government would have a major hand in the project. Just the environmental impact studies, NIMBY's and red tape means decades to get the job done.
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I was unfortunately walking through cabbage town this weekend and it's all laneway parking, how on EARTH are they going to get a charger to all these people?

Truth s they won't and the legislation allows for PHEV's so the PHEV market will explode at some point.
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I agree, and that won't happen anytime soon.
Charging times are currently too long and mass migration to EV will be painful without significant changes to infrastructure. The best case scenario is an Uber/Airbnb style model where anyone can install a charging port at their property/home and you pay them for a charge.
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