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      02-21-2023, 02:03 PM   #1299
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Companies like Porsche are betting it all on solid state which will probably never happen.
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Charging times are currently too long and mass migration to EV will be painful without significant changes to infrastructure. The best case scenario is an Uber/Airbnb style model where anyone can install a charging port at their property/home and you pay them for a charge.
They'll charge what they like.
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      02-22-2023, 08:21 AM   #1301
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They'll charge what they like.
Agreed. I am not saying it is a good solution. But this is one of the possible near term solutions for rapid scaling of infrastructure that is actively being discussed in transportation community. If it happens, it will also have many other unintended and unforeseen consequences, such as increase in traffic in residential neighborhoods.
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Agreed. I am not saying it is a good solution. But this is one of the possible near term solutions for rapid scaling of infrastructure that is actively being discussed in transportation community. If it happens, it will also have many other unintended and unforeseen consequences, such as increase in traffic in residential neighborhoods.
Not much being talked about kids and adults not hearing the things coming then thinking it's fine to cross the road without looking, as some do.
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The Stellantis CEO notes that thanks to the EU’s ban on new ICE vehicles starting in 2035, these new emissions controls may prove moot as automakers shift to 100% electric offerings. Furthermore, he argues, by putting in place these new regulations, automakers are forced to invest more money into dying ICE vehicle platforms to ensure that they meet these new requirements, all while already investing in replacing them entirely.
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UK gov. must change stance on EV madness,Vauxhall Motors boss spells it out that the country is headed for a cliff edge with middle classes unable to afford EV's.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...prices-tumble/
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Stradman just exposed all this EV fraud

He said for 41 minutes, paid 20$ to get and extra 60 miles on the charge

Smh, good job pocket protector geniuses with your EV revolution 😄
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Stradman just exposed all this EV fraud

He said for 41 minutes, paid 20$ to get and extra 60 miles on the charge

Smh, good job pocket protector geniuses with your EV revolution 😄
Does anyone here know how much non fasy charging costs at home to get to 80% in an average kwh battery pack with average electric prices?
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Does anyone here know how much non fasy charging costs at home to get to 80% in an average kwh battery pack with average electric prices?
Average where? It's like asking the average price of a house beer in a bar : too many correct answers, all of which "depend" on some local factor.

The national average is 15.64 cents per KWH, but I pay far less than half that, and I'm in a major metro area.

Going from 20% to 80% on a 75 KWH battery (a common size) is about 45 KWH's. is about $7 with the above price, but assumes 100% efficiency and zero charge loss until next use (neither of which will ever occur), and flat rate pricing. Some systems are more efficient than others, and no battery avoids charge loss. Many homes now have variable power pricing/rates too.

If you wend from 5% to 100%, it would be an additional 35% of charge energy. I mention this because batteries and their ranges all reflect 100% charges. Like a car with a 20 gallon tank but you only put 16 gallons in it, be aware the observed range will be less than advertised unless you fill it to 20.
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Average where? It's like asking the average price of a house beer in a bar : too many correct answers, all of which "depend" on some local factor.

The national average is 15.64 cents per KWH, but I pay far less than half that, and I'm in a major metro area.

Going from 20% to 80% on a 75 KWH battery (a common size) is about 45 KWH's. is about $7 with the above price, but assumes 100% efficiency and zero charge loss until next use (neither of which will ever occur), and flat rate pricing. Some systems are more efficient than others, and no battery avoids charge loss. Many homes now have variable power pricing/rates too.

If you wend from 5% to 100%, it would be an additional 35% of charge energy. I mention this because batteries and their ranges all reflect 100% charges. Like a car with a 20 gallon tank but you only put 16 gallons in it, be aware the observed range will be less than advertised unless you fill it to 20.

You just answered my question 😎. So not bad far cheaper than gas. At least for me. I don't understand peolle who buy teslas but have to go to supercharger and overpay all the time 🤔
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      02-23-2023, 10:34 PM   #1309
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Does anyone here know how much non fasy charging costs at home to get to 80% in an average kwh battery pack with average electric prices?
We can do some basic math.

Let's run it off the 2023 Chevy Bolt which has a 65kW battery. Let's also assume you're at 10% charge, which means you have 6.5kW stored. 80% of 65 is 55.25kW, a differential of 48.75kW (let's just say 49). A crappy charger will be around 70% efficiency, so to charge that 49kW you will actually use 63.7kW. My average cost per kW is around $0.13, so multiply that by 63.7 and we get $8.28. If we went from 10% to 100% assuming the same 70% efficiency, it would be a 58.5kW differential which would actually consume 76kW and would cost $9.88. These are rough numbers.

HOWEVER, something else to consider is when you actually charge. If it's at peak times, the kW rate is much higher, and if it's in the middle of the night (which is when we charged our EV) it's MUCH lower, sometimes half. We left our EV plugged in almost constantly, and in the car we just set a charge timer so it would only charge between 10pm and 7am.

ALSO something to think about, range degredation due to cold weather. Our EV sat outside, and during the winter we lost ~30% total range just because the battery was cold. In our Bolt that was a reduction from 240 miles down to 170... While ICE vehicles lose some MPG during cold weather, it's nowhere near 30%.
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We can do some basic math.

Let's run it off the 2023 Chevy Bolt which has a 65kW battery. Let's also assume you're at 10% charge, which means you have 6.5kW stored. 80% of 65 is 55.25kW, a differential of 48.75kW (let's just say 49). A crappy charger will be around 70% efficiency, so to charge that 49kW you will actually use 63.7kW. My average cost per kW is around $0.13, so multiply that by 63.7 and we get $8.28. If we went from 10% to 100% assuming the same 70% efficiency, it would be a 58.5kW differential which would actually consume 76kW and would cost $9.88. These are rough numbers.

HOWEVER, something else to consider is when you actually charge. If it's at peak times, the kW rate is much higher, and if it's in the middle of the night (which is when we charged our EV) it's MUCH lower, sometimes half. We left our EV plugged in almost constantly, and in the car we just set a charge timer so it would only charge between 10pm and 7am.

ALSO something to think about, range degredation due to cold weather. Our EV sat outside, and during the winter we lost ~30% total range just because the battery was cold. In our Bolt that was a reduction from 240 miles down to 170... While ICE vehicles lose some MPG during cold weather, it's nowhere near 30%.
Good point, cold weather is one achilles heel of an EV, 30% loss is massive and causes worry when away from home when it's chilly.

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      02-24-2023, 08:09 AM   #1311
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And the variation in any MPG between summer and winter is typically due to formulation changes of the fuels delivered to the pump. Not due to ICE operation itself.
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I can show you with real data from keeping fuel consumption records on my E90 for hundreds of thousands of miles, wintertime MPG is not statistically discernible from non-winter months.

Winter range is why I did not switch to EV when I was commuting 165 miles a day to my office. With no place to charge at the office building during the day to recover range, no EV back 10 years ago had enough winter range to make the round trip. Most today still don't have enough winter range. If they do, there are numerous ICE for $20K less that make for better commuters.

When your commute is already 1 hour 45 minutes one way, sitting at some Super charger or DC Fast Charger on the trip home for an extra 30 to 45 minutes to regain enough range is a non starter; you just want to get the eff home. Adding 5 minutes twice a week to your commuting time to refuel ICE is completely acceptable. On top of that, you have zero reserve to run errands during the day, meet at a client's site, or even just go to lunch with your work wife.
It's okay, 2035 is coming regardless of your problems apparently...
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It's okay, 2035 is coming regardless of your problems apparently...
the current ev's will probably be so dinosaurian in comparison by then
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the current ev's will probably be so dinosaurian in comparison by then
Well batteries in current vehicles will all be dead and too expensive to replace. It's also unlikely anything replaces lithium ion.
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Reading on with this is that EV's won't even become modern classics as all those batteries will-be-dead. EV baby dinasaurs not even reaching maturity There is a solution: don't buy them.
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Who said I had any problems? I just added another 200,000 miles on to my E90. Zero range anxiety. 100% reliability and bitchin' to drive. I bet I spent less time maintaining the E90 at its advanced age and mileage than sitting at a charge sucking up juice for 30 mins a day.

Lol.
You have to keep in perspective what some of these guys mean, my friend. They are very pleased with the idea that electric vehicles are being mandated. Not particularly because they are excited with the technology. No, sir. Mostly because human beings were created to worship an authority and some people just worship different types of authority. I think you get my meaning.
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Italian Minister for Transport Matteo Salvini has called the new law economic “suicide” for the EU. He said it was “ideological fundamentalism” that would benefit China and harm the European car industry.
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Instead of UK, Brit drivers should put EU FU on their cars.
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FCUK got there first...

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