[RnmEvo9]

Originally Posted by E90Company

OP beat a Procede DCT car with more bolt ons than him. I think that competition is fair.

So a custom tuned e50 flashed map vs a off the shelf 93 piggy map is fair? Interesting..

If that's the case, when will our 'fair' duel come about?

[cn555ic]

Originally Posted by themyst

Ah, ok. Misread that. Then yes, it's like LeBron dunking on a midget.

Lol

[kirbycorp]

Originally Posted by E90Company

OP beat a Procede DCT car with more bolt ons than him. I think that competition is fair.

Link?

[kirbycorp]

Originally Posted by RnmEvo9

So a custom tuned e50 flashed map vs a off the shelf 93 piggy map is fair? Interesting..

If that's the case, when will our 'fair' duel come about?

+1

This whole thread is full of apples to oranges comparisons.

[JStang]

Originally Posted by kirbycorp

+1

This whole thread is full of apples to oranges comparisons.

Yeah it is.

[BQTuning]

Originally Posted by kirbycorp

Link?

Its was posted on the first page

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...11&postcount=9

[kirbycorp]

Originally Posted by JStang

Yeah it is.

whatever, maybe OP's proud of besting a stage 1 car

[kirbycorp]

Originally Posted by BuraQ

Its was posted on the first page

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showpo...11&postcount=9

was the procede running any custom tuning, or just Off-The-Shelf maps too?

[JStang]

Originally Posted by kirbycorp

whatever, maybe OP's proud of besting a stage 1 car

In OP's defense, he posts a lot of data whether good or bad.

[kirbycorp]

Originally Posted by JStang

In OP's defense, he posts a lot of data whether good or bad.

cool

[BQTuning]

Originally Posted by kirbycorp

+1

This whole thread is full of apples to oranges comparisons.

The OP was never intended negatively in any way to bash, hinder, demeanor the car and tuner in the OP. If you guys took it that way, then tuff. It was pure accidental and coincidental I ran into that car.

Now as for the 40 roll race between the PROcede FULLY FBO 335is and my PTF 335is it was already explained during those runs I was running 5-7 degree timing due to the heat soak.

What does this mean ? It means I was running the equivalent to a Cobb OTS Stage 2+ 93 octane aggressive map vs the PROcede 335is 93 OTS map

To make it even more interesting, I am sure TurboSid wouldn't mind, I can flash back to Cobb Stage 2+ aggressive map and run him again, and I'm 199% sure I will pull on him. I pulled on him with my previous RENNtech tune which was optimized for 93 octane but was running E30 to reduce timing pulls due to high IAT's in our Florida weather

Everybody should know by now piggybacks have a higher tolerance to timing pulls due to IAT's over a flash only tune

Shiv has a perfect candidate car down here, TurboSid I am sure requested Shivs assistance many times. I am pleading for Shiv to reach out to TurboSid, I can guaranty he will give results. Shiv has a perfect candidate available I think he should use him, and I am willing to even put my credit card in Shivs hands to guaranty TurboSid will not just run off with his OFT without producing results.

Lots of cars of various tunes to benchmark against.

[BQTuning]

Originally Posted by kirbycorp

was the procede running any custom tuning, or just Off-The-Shelf maps too?

See my previous post above

[zeel]

Nice job Buraq!

[Alessandro]

not fair by any means, what did the OTS car run?

[kirbycorp]

Originally Posted by BuraQ

The OP was never intended negatively in any way to bash, hinder, demeanor the car and tuner in the OP. If you guys took it that way, then tuff. It was pure accidental and coincidental I ran into that car.

Now as for the 40 roll race between the PROcede FULLY FBO 335is and my PTF 335is it was already explained during those runs I was running 5-7 degree timing due to the heat soak.

What does this mean ? It means I was running the equivalent to a Cobb OTS Stage 2+ 93 octane aggressive map vs the PROcede 335is 93 OTS map

To make it even more interesting, I am sure TurboSid wouldn't mind, I can flash back to Cobb Stage 2+ aggressive map and run him again, and I'm 199% sure I will pull on him. I pulled on him with my previous RENNtech tune which was optimized for 93 octane but was running E30 to reduce timing pulls due to high IAT's in our Florida weather

Everybody should know by now piggybacks have a higher tolerance to timing pulls due to IAT's over a flash only tune

Shiv has a perfect candidate car down here, TurboSid I am sure requested Shivs assistance many times. I am pleading for Shiv to reach out to TurboSid, I can guaranty he will give results. Shiv has a perfect candidate available I think he should use him, and I am willing to even put my credit card in Shivs hands to guaranty TurboSid will not just run off with his OFT without producing results.

Lots of cars of various tunes to benchmark against.

you have some kind of agenda posting this thread, that's all my responses were about.

it makes a lot more sense now

[kirbycorp]

Originally Posted by Alessandro

not fair by any means, what did the OTS car run?

stage I IIRC

[themyst]

Originally Posted by BuraQ

The OP was never intended negatively in any way to bash, hinder, demeanor the car and tuner in the OP. If you guys took it that way, then tuff. It was pure accidental and coincidental I ran into that car.

Now as for the 40 roll race between the PROcede FULLY FBO 335is and my PTF 335is it was already explained during those runs I was running 5-7 degree timing due to the heat soak.

What does this mean ? It means I was running the equivalent to a Cobb OTS Stage 2+ 93 octane aggressive map vs the PROcede 335is 93 OTS map

To make it even more interesting, I am sure TurboSid wouldn't mind, I can flash back to Cobb Stage 2+ aggressive map and run him again, and I'm 199% sure I will pull on him. I pulled on him with my previous RENNtech tune which was optimized for 93 octane but was running E30 to reduce timing pulls due to high IAT's in our Florida weather

Everybody should know by now piggybacks have a higher tolerance to timing pulls due to IAT's over a flash only tune

Shiv has a perfect candidate car down here, TurboSid I am sure requested Shivs assistance many times. I am pleading for Shiv to reach out to TurboSid, I can guaranty he will give results. Shiv has a perfect candidate available I think he should use him, and I am willing to even put my credit card in Shivs hands to guaranty TurboSid will not just run off with his OFT without producing results.

Lots of cars of various tunes to benchmark against.

piggybacks do not have any sort of advantage over a flash tune for timing pulls. the IAT comp table is not impacted.

your friend running JB4 with open source flash had nasty timing pulls as you did. perhaps it just looks worse on your end because of the graph scaling. if you squish your graph it wouldn't look all that bad either.

but I am being very serious ... INVEST IN A METH KIT.

[themyst]

Originally Posted by kirbycorp

you have some kind of agenda posting this thread, that's all my responses were about.

it makes a lot more sense now

fwiw, you could take one of Shivs maps, make some common-sense changes to top end load, WGDC base, timing, fuel, scalar etc and have at it. heck if someones up for testing ill try my hand at making a map for the guy.

[deltalima0]

Originally Posted by kirbycorp

+1

This whole thread is full of apples to oranges comparisons.

You guys make zero sense here. Is this not what people want to see true real data of cars on different stages? Real live footage to see the difference and what is achievable as you mod your car? And how different tunes run against one another.

Brauq I am FBO JB4 G5 with the Cobb backend flash and I would love to run others like you are doing for comparison note taking ideas you name it.

I was Cobb PTF tuned ran well with it made it into the high 11's with the tune but to many gremlins and codes periodically on it. Jake was more than up to the task and he continually tried to iron out my problems on the tune I just grew impatient and tried a switch to JB4 for the back end flash it has worked well for me no more random 30FF codes in higher gears 4-6th a studder I had between 3k-4k is gone also.

But what worked for me may not work for you, but the only reason I tried JB4 was from running a local buddy where I am at and he was able to pull high 11's on JB4 dci's and dps oh E85 of course so nice to see real time info is all I am saying and Brauq is giving you it.

Keep the vids coming Brauq your car is running strong.

[Alessandro]

Originally Posted by kirbycorp

stage I IIRC

thx but what time did he run?

[zeel]

Originally Posted by deltalima0

You guys make zero sense here. Is this not what people want to see true real data of cars on different stages? Real live footage to see the difference and what is achievable as you mod your car? And how different tunes run against one another.

Brauq I am FBO JB4 G5 with the Cobb backend flash and I would love to run others like you are doing for comparison note taking ideas you name it.

I was Cobb PTF tuned ran well with it made it into the high 11's with the tune but to many gremlins and codes periodically on it. Jake was more than up to the task and he continually tried to iron out my problems on the tune I just grew impatient and tried a switch to JB4 for the back end flash it has worked well for me no more random 30FF codes in higher gears 4-6th a studder I had between 3k-4k is gone also.

But what worked for me may not work for you, but the only reason I tried JB4 was from running a local buddy where I am at and he was able to pull high 11's on JB4 dci's and dps oh E85 of course so nice to see real time info is all I am saying and Brauq is giving you it.

Keep the vids coming Brauq your car is running strong.

+1 to this^...Its going to be very hard to find two cars that are exactly the same to please everyone. Just take this for what it is and enjoy.

[BQTuning]

Originally Posted by themyst

piggybacks do not have any sort of advantage over a flash tune for timing pulls. the IAT comp table is not impacted.

your friend running JB4 with open source flash had nasty timing pulls as you did. perhaps it just looks worse on your end because of the graph scaling. if you squish your graph it wouldn't look all that bad either.

but I am being very serious ... INVEST IN A METH KIT.

A car running a flash only tune when the IAT's gets too hot the DME will start to pull timing based on its IAT comp tables

For a piggyback, the DME never sees true boost, so when IAT's get out of control it has more "tolerance" for pulling timing. It will pull less timing as opposed to a flash only tune