[slubu]

Originally Posted by ezatnova

Well, FWIW, my SA called and said that they sent the FASTA data and they do not have an immediate solution.
He DID add the "BMW is aware of the issue and is coming out with a SOLUTION VERY SHORTLY. We will contact you in the next two or three days to let you know when you can bring it in for the fix."

Now, as I said, take it for what it's worth. Who the heck knows. Personally, I'm in the "I'll believe it when I see it" camp.

Also, this is terrible timing since I was pretty set on getting the Dinan flash on Saturday. Now after I raise all hell and cause me dealership headaches, they go work on a sollution and call me back (potentially) with a fix, only for me to say "oh, I don't want the fix, I just got the Dinan flash". ARGH!

I'd just hold off for 3 reasons: 1) don't you want some closure to this whole ordeal? what if it fixes the lag, then at least you know BMW rectified the situation; 2) it would help everyone else out too ; 3) i'm not sure it is a benefit but it couldn't hurt to have the highest progman on your car prior to getting dinan.

[BMWfan07]

Originally Posted by BMWfan07

Someone mentioned that one way of knowing that you have 29.2 is that the main menu color on the i-drive/Nav is now silver and not brown. Well, I just had a complete reprogram of my car car 8 days ago, and the color of the main menu is still brown. They did not tell me what version number of software I have now.

They did the software update to try and rid my car of the rattle caused by the waste gate actuators, it did not work. They now want to replace both turbo waste gate actuators. My car was reprogrammed for hours at the dealer, an absolute waste of time.

I called my SA to ask him what version of software I have on my car after their failed software fix for waste gate noise. I wanted to know the PROGMAN version but he didn't know. Huh??

He said I had software version E89X0703516 and I now have E89X0803530. What PROGMAN version is that?? Anybody know?

There is no way in hell that I have 300 lb ft of torque at 1500 rpm!!

[Hit_Apex]

I bet the media would love to do a story on how the Ultimate Driving Machine does not perform as advertised. This could get real nasty...

[karizma]

So technically i'm not a 335 owner yet, ( my car gets in on monday!)

i've read on and on about this conspiracy, and from what i've heard from most ppl, everything falls into place and the car is "fast" again in a cpl days to a week.

however, i still called my service/dinan guy at the dealership this morning to get a low down, ( especially after reading that some people got bmwna to acknowledge there was a software glitch? )

this is what he told me:

some updates that BMW does to the 335 will 'reset' some of the software and re-adjust the car back to its newborn phase, ie, before it was adapted to ur style of driving and "broken in" properly. however, after driving it for a bit, it WILL return to your way of driving, etc. additionally, he said it shouldnt be a problem in autos' if ure driving in "DS" mode , but will still need to be broken in again a bit.. 6 spd mt's should get their delivery back a bit faster, though they will still need to be re-adapted or whatever.


it doesnt make sense for bmw to "slow down" their 335i a year after its release . i was scared they did this to help the M3 sales , however, an m3 will still blast a 335 out of the water on a track and in many other aspects other than straight line acceleration. slowing the 335 down would hurt bmw more than it helps m3 sales. if my car does 0-60 in 5.5 and a 1/4 mile in 14 seconds, i wouldnt have paid 47 grand for it. additonally, a google search to yield 08' dyno's and track times shows that acceleration and power is the same.

just my .02 !

p.s. - i'm not using this as a blanket statement on others who may have problems with the update 29.2 for reasons unkown , there are always goofy cases of things going wrong, especially with such high tech stuff controlling the car, but in general, the SA told me that any update wouldn't slow the car down, and they've done updates on hundreds of 335's and the people who have complained about lag are usually happy after a couple days of hard driving.

[ezatnova]

Originally Posted by karizma

i've read on and on about this conspiracy, and from what i've heard from most ppl, everything falls into place and the car is "fast" again in a cpl days to a week.

O RLY?

Originally Posted by karizma

however, i still called my service/dinan guy at the dealership this morning to get a low down, ( especially after reading that some people got bmwna to acknowledge there was a software glitch? )

this is what he told me:

some updates that BMW does to the 335 will 'reset' some of the software and re-adjust the car back to its newborn phase, ie, before it was adapted to ur style of driving and "broken in" properly. however, after driving it for a bit, it WILL return to your way of driving, etc. additionally, he said it shouldnt be a problem in autos' if ure driving in "DS" mode , but will still need to be broken in again a bit.. 6 spd mt's should get their delivery back a bit faster, though they will still need to be re-adapted or whatever.

p.s. - i'm not using this as a blanket statement on others who may have problems with the update 29.2 for reasons unkown , there are always goofy cases of things going wrong, especially with such high tech stuff controlling the car, but in general, the SA told me that any update wouldn't slow the car down, and they've done updates on hundreds of 335's and the people who have complained about lag are usually happy after a couple days of hard driving.

No offense, and I get what you're saying, but, we have not merely driven our cars for a day or two after getting 29.2. It has been weeks and weeks, and in most cases a month or more. Re-learning aint gonna fix it.

Also, it's important to realize that we are talking about lag, not a less powerful car.

[ezatnova]

Originally Posted by slubu

I'd just hold off for 3 reasons: 1) don't you want some closure to this whole ordeal? what if it fixes the lag, then at least you know BMW rectified the situation; 2) it would help everyone else out too ; 3) i'm not sure it is a benefit but it couldn't hurt to have the highest progman on your car prior to getting dinan.

1) Yes, and it would clear a bunch up. I am VERY tempted to hold off if their phone call back to me "within a few days" indicates and help coming any time SOON.
2) True - but, I can get free labor on the tune this Saturday at my local shop. They are running a sale. Perhaps if everyone chips in and sends me $100 then I won't feel bad about waiting. I realize $100 is nothing in the scope of $2120 (price + tax) but hell, why throw away $100 if you don't have to.
3) I actually couldn't agree more. I am sorry, but I think Steve @ Dinan's post regarding 29.2 is neither conclusive nor clear. I understand he says it wipes the slate clean when they flash it, but, if they only replace so much of BMW's code in their package, which he states is the case, then the lag inducing code could be left untouched and reintroduced by the flash.

[karizma]

Originally Posted by ezatnova

O RLY?



No offense, and I get what you're saying, but, we have not merely driven our cars for a day or two after getting 29.2. It has been weeks and weeks, and in most cases a month or more. Re-learning aint gonna fix it.

Also, it's important to realize that we are talking about lag, not a less powerful car.

gotcha, i guess i wouldnt know about the lag since i dont' have it, i was more concerned with the car being "slower". hopefully someone will figure this out soon. the lag and 29.2 being a problem was definitely news to my SA ( or he made it seem that way? )

[tyler9595]

Originally Posted by karizma

gotcha, i guess i wouldnt know about the lag since i dont' have it, i was more concerned with the car being "slower". hopefully someone will figure this out soon. the lag and 29.2 being a problem was definitely news to my SA ( or he made it seem that way? )

my SA said the same thing..."we checked with the FSE and he said its not a problem so we cant fix a problem that doesnt exist..." (i.e. its all in your head)

[tyler9595]

Originally Posted by slubu

I'd just hold off for 3 reasons: 1) don't you want some closure to this whole ordeal? what if it fixes the lag, then at least you know BMW rectified the situation; 2) it would help everyone else out too ; 3) i'm not sure it is a benefit but it couldn't hurt to have the highest progman on your car prior to getting dinan.

yeah, ezatnova you should hold off so the rest of us can find out what the "fix" is!!!

[tek818]

PROcede v3 completely solved my lag issue. I can totally see the differences in wastegate vacuum on my boost gauge

[ezatnova]

Originally Posted by tyler9595

yeah, ezatnova you should hold off so the rest of us can find out what the "fix" is!!!

Eh...we'll see what the SA says. If I don't get a call, or I get a BS answer, or they say it will be a while, then the hell with it.

[tyler9595]

Originally Posted by ezatnova

Eh...we'll see what the SA says. If I don't get a call, or I get a BS answer, or they say it will be a while, then the hell with it.

I dont blame you...I would do the dinan tune, too...IF 1) my car had a DAMN oil cooler and 2) my lease was not up in Oct (cant justify $2k for a few months of fun)

[tek818]

Originally Posted by tyler9595

I dont blame you...I would do the dinan tune, too...IF 1) my car had a DAMN oil cooler and 2) my lease was not up in Oct (cant justify $2k for a few months of fun)

get a v3 PnP and resell it!

[Stin]

I was recently upgraded to 29.2 and my car is now a mess. It has been to the dealer two times in two weeks for a CEL that comes on just after a cold engine start. The car shakes with a rough idle, then the check engine light comes on. Dealer said the DME needed to be replaced, BMW denied the replacement and basically said live with it. Any others have the same issue? I didn't have any problems with the car until 29.2. I am getting really frustrated.

[tyler9595]

Originally Posted by tek818

get a v3 PnP and resell it!

You are probably right that is what I should do. But: 1) used car market SUCKS right now and 2) I got one look at that v3 thing and it intimidates the HELL out of me...I'm not a mechanic or electrical engineer.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...ighlight=beast

[tyler9595]

Originally Posted by Stin

I was recently upgraded to 29.2 and my car is now a mess. It has been to the dealer two times in two weeks for a CEL that comes on just after a cold engine start. The car shakes with a rough idle, then the check engine light comes on. Dealer said the DME needed to be replaced, BMW denied the replacement and basically said live with it. Any others have the same issue? I didn't have any problems with the car until 29.2. I am getting really frustrated.

I think ezatnova has had some of those problems. The only problem I've had is that my car now accellerates like a 1990 turbo car like RX-7 or Mitsubishi Eclipse

[karizma]

this is all so depressing. i was so psyched out about getting delivery of my car this week, now i'm just bummed out that i may have paid almost 50 grand for a car that drives nothing like the one i test drove.

[ezatnova]

Originally Posted by Stin

I was recently upgraded to 29.2 and my car is now a mess. It has been to the dealer two times in two weeks for a CEL that comes on just after a cold engine start. The car shakes with a rough idle, then the check engine light comes on. Dealer said the DME needed to be replaced, BMW denied the replacement and basically said live with it. Any others have the same issue? I didn't have any problems with the car until 29.2. I am getting really frustrated.

I had(have) the exact same problem! Take it to your dealer...get them to read the code. Mine was a "Mis-fire in cylinder 5" Then the paperwork said they tested my gas octane and it was fine, and they did not see it reoccuring and chalked it up to a "fluke" and said don't worry about it.

Go get that puppy tested though. If you confirm the same problem, we can start to look for a trend. FYI, as I said, mine was the same situation, a cold start in the morning. Car rumbled around a bit and boom, CEL pops on in about 20 seconds. Shut her down and restarted and it seemed fine.

It sure is frustrating, but on the good side for me, my dealer is 10 minutes away and they take my car right away and always have loaners. In the past month or so I've had an X5 5.0, a 535xi, and today I just gave back a 750Li (ballin!) lol. They know I'll just bring the stupidass car back again if/when it throws another CEL. Eventually they may get sick of me and fix the thing.

[karizma]

my biggest fear is that bmw actually did "detune" the car..

we would not be able to do anything, on the BMW website and catalog, it says the 335 accelerates 0-60mph in the mid 5's, not high 4's..even if they did detune it they could easily say that the original software was over-powering the car or something.


i won't know anything until i get in my own car i guess, i'm just speculating and peeing in my pants.

[Stin]

Originally Posted by ezatnova

I had(have) the exact same problem! Take it to your dealer...get them to read the code. Mine was a "Mis-fire in cylinder 5" Then the paperwork said they tested my gas octane and it was fine, and they did not see it reoccuring and chalked it up to a "fluke" and said don't worry about it.

Go get that puppy tested though. If you confirm the same problem, we can start to look for a trend. FYI, as I said, mine was the same situation, a cold start in the morning. Car rumbled around a bit and boom, CEL pops on in about 20 seconds. Shut her down and restarted and it seemed fine.

It sure is frustrating, but on the good side for me, my dealer is 10 minutes away and they take my car right away and always have loaners. In the past month or so I've had an X5 5.0, a 535xi, and today I just gave back a 750Li (ballin!) lol. They know I'll just bring the stupidass car back again if/when it throws another CEL. Eventually they may get sick of me and fix the thing.

That is exactly the problem I am having and will continue to take my car back in each time the CEL comes on, only my dealer gives me a 328.

I am heading back up this afternoon to get my car back. I will let them know someone else had a similar issue. As an FYI, originally they said BMW had a TSB out regarding this problem but apparently they don't want the costly expense of replacing the DME when it is actually the program that is causing all of the problems. My dealer indicated that BMW will have a new program out in the Fall and I should just "wait and see". Not a good enough response.

[StarrDlux]

yeah im sticking it out for now. car rough started twice today. lame. i-drive is retarded can't decide on what setting (cd,fm,dvd-mp3) to stick on. blown right front sub. its a fun car but man i'd rather turn down the bass than turn down the power

thank god its a lease. i'd be all sad if i had to keep it lol.

[slubu]

Originally Posted by Stin

That is exactly the problem I am having and will continue to take my car back in each time the CEL comes on, only my dealer gives me a 328.

I am heading back up this afternoon to get my car back. I will let them know someone else had a similar issue. As an FYI, originally they said BMW had a TSB out regarding this problem but apparently they don't want the costly expense of replacing the DME when it is actually the program that is causing all of the problems. My dealer indicated that BMW will have a new program out in the Fall and I should just "wait and see". Not a good enough response.

In the Fall...that is ridiculous.

Question - is there an objective way to measure lag? In other words, can you document it somehow?