[fravel]

Originally Posted by rr006rbc

All the weaponry that we've created in this world that can level nations and complete cities and we can't make a tranquilizer dart strong enough to take down a gorilla within a few seconds; pretty sad if you ask me. I'm sure a dart directly to the dome of that gorilla would've done the trick. Might have injured him severely but I'm sure he'd get over it.

Either way, pretty neglectful of the kid's parent. RIP to the big gorilla.

All the technology in the world won't be able to accelerate the rate at which an organism will metabolize a given chemical compound. It is what it is.

EDIT: I guess we could theoretically get to a point where zoo animals are no longer "born" but rather "created" and genetically modified such that a "rapid tranquilizer" could be developed for them, but we're a long ways from that.

[Torgus]

While You Were ALL Crying Over a Dead Ape, 125,000 Babies Were Just Murdered.

[fravel]

Best commentary I've seen on it:

[other_evolved]

Originally Posted by Torgus

While You Were ALL Crying Over a Dead Ape, 125,000 Babies Were Just Murdered.

[Verbiage]

Originally Posted by fravel

Best commentary I've seen on it:

silvergray545

[silvergray545]

Originally Posted by Verbiage

silvergray545

I ask my dad, "When you came to this country many years ago, why did you pick Cleveland, Ohio?" and I still don't have an answer to this question.

[Lups]

Originally Posted by FogCityM3

From some press reports, it sounds like the mother was watching a group of children and as a parent, I have been in situations where something distracts you and you lose sight of your kid for just a second or two, before you know it, they're somewhere else, everyone who has kids has been there, parents are human and make mistakes. We don't know how long she had her eyes off the child, whether was just a few seconds or minutes. My second question is how can a small child actually get into a gorilla exhibit in the first place...shouldn't the exhibit be as "child proof" as the animal in captivity? Finally, as someone said above, it was a no win situation and you can't ultimately predict a captive animal's behavior even if it was initially trying to "protect" the child, the press reports were saying the crowd was screaming and yelling and things could have changed dramatically. Would guess that between a human and an animal standard protocol would be for the zoo to give much greater weighting to protecting humans in an abundance of caution, where there is almost no choice to be made. One has to think about the alternative outcome.

As for the mother's statement, I would have just kept quiet personally as to not cause more controversy, but she is probably completely wound up about having potentially lost her child.

This...

Yesterday I had six kids with me for a walk, and three dogs. All the kids are extremely familiar with my rules and they are all familiar with the spot we go to, which is not a public beach. Our dogs don't allow kids in the water if not in front of me either which is an extra protection.

After a few hours of playing and climbing trees and swimming I told the kids we are going back, their moms kept calling me. I declared a race to the car, and my son asked me how the marking to a tree had happened. I actually got a text from my friend at that very second so I had the time frame sharply in place, my own 4 year old went missing, and the search started one minute later.

I always ask my friends to put bright colors on for their kids if I take them with me, and my son was wearing a red shirt also. Since the water here is quite cold still, the realist in me knew that 5 minutes is the maximum time to save him if he had fallen in and hit his head.

I ran the coast line while the oldest kids ran to the car to check if the little devil had ran there. Considering he is in that spot of the shore daily, I was 99% sure that was what happened. The one percent was enough to make me ran through the whole probable shore line and for me to have multiple heart attacks.

It is a spot full of rocks, but the view is very good for supervising. There is no way I can explain how that happened, but I am extremely grateful it was my son that went missing, since I wouldn't dare taking on anyone elses kids ever again otherwise.

I have a son who has microtia (he has only one ear, and with the condition it is common to have multiple other problems including brain and heart stuff all parents just love... ) so after his first year and going through all the testing, I know very well what it is to fear for a childs life. What happened yesterday was so much worse since the seconds I focused on the fucking tree (I checked the text message time when I realized a child was missing, since I needed the time frame. He was at my side when I got it) and I totally missed the tiny kid running towards the woods.

I have no excuse for what happened and I told the other parents straight away too. My kids are super well behaving and very used to being in the wild, but I probably will strap them with a leash now until they are 60.

He said he wanted to win the race to the car, and all that went through my head from the second I realized I was missing one was cpr lessons and how to resuscitate a person who's been in the water for 2+ minutes.

[fecurtis]

Originally Posted by rr006rbc

All the weaponry that we've created in this world that can level nations and complete cities and we can't make a tranquilizer dart strong enough to take down a gorilla within a few seconds; pretty sad if you ask me. I'm sure a dart directly to the dome of that gorilla would've done the trick. Might have injured him severely but I'm sure he'd get over it.

Either way, pretty neglectful of the kid's parent. RIP to the big gorilla.

This isn't a movie or video game. Tranqs take a few minutes to take affect and I'm sure these zookeepers aren't Navy SEAL trained sharpshooters. You're supposed to shoot a target in the chest as that's the easiest to hit.

It's not sad really (referring to the fact that a tranq can't take down a massive gorilla instantly, it's death obviously is tragic), it's just science.

Theoretically you could make one that can take down a massive gorilla instantly...but the dosage would be so strong that you could also risk killing it from overdosing. Tranqs aren't some magic drug that just happens to put you to sleep, it's a powerful controlled substance which can kill you if you have too much of it.

[csu87]

Didnt see this get posted in here yet. Eyewitness account of the incident. Sounds like it was a quick thing that happened, and the mom couldnt see the kid over the wall until it was too late. The fact that there were several bystanders that saw this happening and did nothing to stop it is also kind of disturbing imo. I dont have kids, but I do have young nieces and a young sister that I have watched over the years and all it takes is a split second for them to be gone. Thats why I have always used the kid leashes at places like this.

And to the people saying the kid deserved to die instead of the gorilla, you are whats wrong with the world today.

I was taking a pic of the female gorilla, when my eldest son yells, “what is he doing? ” I looked down, and to my surprise, there was a small child that had apparently, literally “flopped” over the railing, where there was then about 3 feet of ground that the child quickly crawled through! ! I assumed the woman next to me was the mother, getting ready to grab him until she says, “Whose kid is this? ” None of us actually thought he’d go over the nearly 15 foot drop, but he was crawling so fast through the bushes before myself or husband could grab him, he went over! The crowed got a little frantic and the mother was calling for her son. Actually, just prior to him going over, but she couldn’t see him crawling through the bushes! She said “He was right here! I took a pic and his hand was in my back pocket and then gone!” As she could find him nowhere, she lookes to my husband (already over the railing talking to the child) and asks, “Sir, is he wearing green shorts? ” My husband reluctantly had to tell her yes, when she then nearly had a break down! They are both wanting to go over into the 15 foot drop, when I forbade my husband to do so, and attempted to calm the mother by calling 911 and assure her help was on the way.

[Doc Oc]

Originally Posted by Torgus

While You Were ALL Crying Over a Dead Ape, 125,000 Babies Were Just Murdered.

Same zoo?

[fravel]

Originally Posted by silvergray545

I ask my dad, "When you came to this country many years ago, why did you pick Cleveland, Ohio?" and I still don't have an answer to this question.

I don't know which one of my ancestors decided to settle here, but I do know he was an idiot.

[silvergray545]

Originally Posted by fravel

I don't know which one of my ancestors decided to settle here, but I do know he was an idiot.

[Lups]

Originally Posted by fravel

I don't know which one of my ancestors decided to settle here, but I do know he was an idiot.

Dude we all feel this way about the place we are stuck in, this makes you fit in.

[Alfisti]

i feel the same about anywhere with this climate, i mean who the hell back in the day got to January and said "yeah this is fine".

Idiots.

[Torgus]

meh I like where i live.

[dreamingat30fps]

Originally Posted by Torgus

While You Were ALL Crying Over a Dead Ape, 125,000 Babies Were Just Murdered.

Originally Posted by Doc Oc

Same zoo?

Yeah, same gorilla too.

[BIGW0RM]

Originally Posted by larryn

Perhaps you should watch the video of the gorilla dragging the kid around extremely fast and violently by his leg. Not exactly protection mode.

I will say that it's a crappy situation. An animal kept in captivity by humans, a human who fell unwittingly into the gorilla pit, and to remedy the situation, another human kills the animal. Certainly unfair for the animal who has no choices, but certainly not worth the boy's life.

Agreed 100%.


Everyone is so quick to "save the gorilla" yet those same people keep him in a cage for people to stare at?

And an animal used for that purpose is more important than a kid who's life is at risk? Really?

How about we throw those sorry ass's down in the pit with that gorilla and lets see how quick they scream to kill the MF'er when its dragging them like that.

And any person with kids will knows dam well YOU WILL lose site of a child at one point or the other.

We are HUMANS. We make mistakes. Things get overlooked. Shit happens. We are Not perfect little things we all try to be behind a keyboard.

Get real.

[fecurtis]

Originally Posted by BIGW0RM

And any person with kids will knows dam well YOU WILL lose site of a child at one point or the other.

We are HUMANS. We make mistakes. Things get overlooked. Shit happens. We are Not perfect little things we all try to be behind a keyboard.

Get real.

We also tend to admit when we do instead of making excuses. At least I do, that's my biggest gripe with this mom...and you've gotta lose sight for quite some time for your kid to make his way into a gorilla enclosure.

[fravel]

Originally Posted by Lups

Dude we all feel this way about the place we are stuck in, this makes you fit in.

Have you ever been to Ohio? It's the armpit of the U.S.

[porshah]

Fact that other bystanders didn't do anything is very disturbing.

I guarantee this woman will have a law suit against the zoo in the near future. Probably Trump's lawyers will be helping her.

[jgoens]

Quite the thread going here..some real strong opinions. I read the story yesterday and just felt sad about it. It's hard to really pinpoint blame from what we know. I have a 6 year old boy and as you guys know aren't into killing animals, and the zoo obviously would have set up the Gorilla Pen to be safe for liability issues. Obviously something failed. Just tragic....but it could have been worse--the Gorilla could have killed the child and then was killed himself.

[fravel]

Originally Posted by porshah

I guarantee this woman will have a law suit against the zoo in the near future. Probably Trump's lawyers will be helping her.

For what? The zoo has decades of history proving the enclosure is safe and they weren't negligent. Is she gonna claim pain and suffering on the part of the zoo due to her own lack of parenting skills?

I see the lawsuit coming from the zoo against the family for loss of property (Harambe).