Abandoned car in private flat car park

Kerr · 07-06-2011, 11:47 AM

A guy has left a Mitsibishi GTO twin turbo to waste away in the middle of the car park for private flats. The flats are very modern and have a barrier for access.

The car was originally very active, in and out all the time but for 8 months the car has not even moved or been touched. It's covered in bird poo from the frendly seagulls that live around here and the entire car is looking hugely tired.

It was never in great shape and the car is full of old alloy wheels etc.

There is no road tax and it's not on the insurance database.

There is enough spaces that it's not really an issue, but it's just a bit of an eyesore rotting away in the car park.

I've no idea who the owner is either.

Should I do something or just ignore the car rotting away?

willhollin · 07-06-2011, 11:59 AM

Torch it.

Billyray911 · 07-06-2011, 12:28 PM

What do you want to do and what could you do?
Just curious...

dxb335d · 07-06-2011, 01:08 PM

Well probably sorned and still owned by the guy, he obv has no where to store it.

My RS is not taxed and not insured but I still own it etc.

willhollin · 07-06-2011, 01:13 PM

http://www.keepscotlandtidy.org/docu...edVehicles.pdf

Kerr · 07-06-2011, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Billyray911

What do you want to do and what could you do?
Just curious...

It's not pretty rotting away there and although it's not really any major problem, it's an eyesore.

I'd prefer it not to be there but don't want to be seen as a bad moaning neighbour. The guy could have easily parked it in the corner of the car park where nobody uses but it's right in the middle.

Don't know what my options are. I googled it and came up with a few posts that suggest even on private grounds such as a flat with restricted access, the restricted access has to cover a few 24hr periods over a year of no access. If access is available all year round to other road users insurance is required. Not sure if that's accurate or not.

I would not want to report the car as not insured in the first instance anyways, as that is pretty mean given it's not causing any danger.

Not sure after 8 months+ of not even looking at it if he ever will. Surely if you had any plans to get it back up and running you would at least keep it ok? The seagull poo is eating into the paint. We are very close to the beach and the salty air had aplified the corrosion rate too. It's a mess.

I will maybe leave a little note on it to say something.

Not wanting all the other locals to suddenly think bringing old cars/caravans/boats and the like to the car park will be tolerated by the neighbours. Started in the last flat and got a little out of hand.

TikoV · 07-06-2011, 01:39 PM

He may be banged up mate.....(and not the way Will is probably thinking) lol

KadeSdad · 07-06-2011, 01:41 PM

Anyone checked his flat.....he could be rotting in his own juices.

Kerr · 07-06-2011, 01:52 PM

I guessed at the start that he might be off shore and be away for a few months at the most.

I did hear him once and I think he was Polish.

Not sure if he has buggered off or dead or in jail. No idea where his flat is either.

DavS1 · 07-06-2011, 02:37 PM

apply for the V5 from DVLA, they contact the current owner and give I think 2 weeks to respond, if no response they send you the V5....then remove it and do as you wish (if you're scrapping it then all good, if you start using it then thats a bit of a grey area...

my boss recieved a V5 he applied for after a customer left a car with us for over 2 years, we were owed probably more than it was worth so he ended up selling it to recoup costs owed to us...

kaishang · 07-06-2011, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DavS1

apply for the V5 from DVLA, they contact the current owner and give I think 2 weeks to respond, if no response they send you the V5....then remove it and do as you wish (if you're scrapping it then all good, if you start using it then thats a bit of a grey area...

my boss recieved a V5 he applied for after a customer left a car with us for over 2 years, we were owed probably more than it was worth so he ended up selling it to recoup costs owed to us...

So say you know someone is on holiday for 2 months and has left their car parked outside their house. Are you saying you can write to DVLA and since the owner is away on holiday and not reading mail; that 2 weeks later you get a V5C in your own name? WTF?

DavS1 · 07-06-2011, 04:02 PM

no, the whole thing probably takes around 4-6 weeks to recieve the V5 in your hand. DVLA aren't known for their speed if you've never dealt with them previously.

But yes, that's basically what i'm saying....and what I've heard and witnessed.

Doesn't make you the "legal" owner, but it makes you the registered keeper.

If this chap KNOWS the car is abandoned, and wants to do something discretely about getting rid of it, this would be the easiest, legalishist way of doing it as you need a V5C to legally scrap cars these days....or Sell.

335iLondon · 07-06-2011, 04:12 PM

Give it a wash an cover with some tarp.
Be a good neighbour!

ps. if he is dead you could then claim to keep it

dxb335d · 07-06-2011, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavS1

apply for the V5 from DVLA, they contact the current owner and give I think 2 weeks to respond, if no response they send you the V5....then remove it and do as you wish (if you're scrapping it then all good, if you start using it then thats a bit of a grey area...

my boss recieved a V5 he applied for after a customer left a car with us for over 2 years, we were owed probably more than it was worth so he ended up selling it to recoup costs owed to us...

An old trick that one. Works well on cars on public property. In a private car park I ain't so sure. Even if you can, it's morally wrong. The fucker wouldn't have dumped it where he/she has If they didn't want it.

p1tse · 07-06-2011, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dxb335d

Well probably sorned and still owned by the guy, he obv has no where to store it.

My RS is not taxed and not insured but I still own it etc.

isn't there a new rule that every private car has to have insurance ?

creepy coupe · 07-07-2011, 04:31 AM

It should be delared SORN, even if sat up on private land. I'm not sure if the DVLA will give that info away, but they might try and contact the owner, re back tax, if it isn't.

How about some photos, so we can judge for ourselves?

kaishang · 07-07-2011, 05:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DavS1

no, the whole thing probably takes around 4-6 weeks to recieve the V5 in your hand. DVLA aren't known for their speed if you've never dealt with them previously.

But yes, that's basically what i'm saying....and what I've heard and witnessed.

Doesn't make you the "legal" owner, but it makes you the registered keeper.

I'm boggled by how easy it is to get a V5C for a car which belongs to someone else.

What stops organised crime syndactes from eyeballing expensive cars parked in the street then paying a legal or illegal East European immigrant a commission to apply for a V5C in their name? A percentage of the legitimate owners will not reply because they have not read their mail, or are on holiday or the crime syndicate goes the extra step to just steal their mail from DVLA notifying them of the application.

After a few weeks, the crime syndicate has a V5C, takes the car and the east european pawn goes back to eastern europe.

335iLondon · 07-07-2011, 05:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaishang

I'm boggled by how easy it is to get a V5C for a car which belongs to someone else.

What stops organised crime syndactes from eyeballing expensive cars parked in the street then paying a legal or illegal East European immigrant a commission to apply for a V5C in their name? A percentage of the legitimate owners will not reply because they have not read their mail, or are on holiday or the crime syndicate goes the extra step to just steal their mail from DVLA notifying them of the application.

After a few weeks, the crime syndicate has a V5C, takes the car and the east european pawn goes back to eastern europe.

LOL prob best you dont give them a step by step guide!

creepy coupe · 07-07-2011, 05:14 AM

Don't forget the V5 isn't proof of ownership.

MEGA · 07-07-2011, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by creepy coupe

Don't forget the V5 isn't proof of ownership.

It's enough to go to BMW and get a key with though. Once the car is in the continent proof of ownership means little.

creepy coupe · 07-07-2011, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by MEGA

It's enough to go to BMW and get a key with though. Once the car is in the continent proof of ownership means little.

Are you saying, you can walk into a dealer and get a key with the V5 and not have to show any other proof of identity?

kaishang · 07-07-2011, 05:38 AM

Doesn't matter if BMW require proof of identity to issue a key... Eastern European immigrant in employ of the crime syndacate will already have proof of identity plus the V5C in their name. They will be getting a key plus a free cup of tea out of the dealership tea machine while they wait for it to get coded.

Doesn't matter if V5C only indicates registered keeper rather than proof of ownership: it is enough to sell the car. If the car has no finance on it - like a lot of expensive cars parked in London with absent owners - then there is no checkable record of ownership other than what documents the absent owner has. The syndicate is totally free to sell the car and the person who applied for the V5C is their name is back in Bulgaria or wherever.

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Kerr Brigadier General 112 Rep 4,021 Posts Drives: BMW M235I Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Aberdeen iTrader: (0)	I guessed at the start that he might be off shore and be away for a few months at the most. I did hear him once and I think he was Polish. Not sure if he has buggered off or dead or in jail. No idea where his flat is either.
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DavS1 Major 53 Rep 1,272 Posts Drives: Emfree Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Glasgow iTrader: (0) Garage List 2011 BMW M3 [0.00]	apply for the V5 from DVLA, they contact the current owner and give I think 2 weeks to respond, if no response they send you the V5....then remove it and do as you wish (if you're scrapping it then all good, if you start using it then thats a bit of a grey area... my boss recieved a V5 he applied for after a customer left a car with us for over 2 years, we were owed probably more than it was worth so he ended up selling it to recoup costs owed to us... __________________ Monte Carlo Blue M3 Comp
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DavS1 Major 53 Rep 1,272 Posts Drives: Emfree Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Glasgow iTrader: (0) Garage List 2011 BMW M3 [0.00]	no, the whole thing probably takes around 4-6 weeks to recieve the V5 in your hand. DVLA aren't known for their speed if you've never dealt with them previously. But yes, that's basically what i'm saying....and what I've heard and witnessed. Doesn't make you the "legal" owner, but it makes you the registered keeper. If this chap KNOWS the car is abandoned, and wants to do something discretely about getting rid of it, this would be the easiest, legalishist way of doing it as you need a V5C to legally scrap cars these days....or Sell. __________________ Monte Carlo Blue M3 Comp
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335iLondon Captain 35 Rep 914 Posts Drives: 07' 335i Msport Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: London iTrader: (0)	Give it a wash an cover with some tarp. Be a good neighbour! ps. if he is dead you could then claim to keep it
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creepy coupe Lieutenant General 1867 Rep 13,043 Posts Drives: BMW M340I G20 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: UK iTrader: (2) Garage List 2015 BMW 435d [0.00] 2009 335i [0.00]	Don't forget the V5 isn't proof of ownership.
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kaishang Colonel 54 Rep 2,197 Posts Drives: 2010 E90 330d Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: London iTrader: (0)	Doesn't matter if BMW require proof of identity to issue a key... Eastern European immigrant in employ of the crime syndacate will already have proof of identity plus the V5C in their name. They will be getting a key plus a free cup of tea out of the dealership tea machine while they wait for it to get coded. Doesn't matter if V5C only indicates registered keeper rather than proof of ownership: it is enough to sell the car. If the car has no finance on it - like a lot of expensive cars parked in London with absent owners - then there is no checkable record of ownership other than what documents the absent owner has. The syndicate is totally free to sell the car and the person who applied for the V5C is their name is back in Bulgaria or wherever.
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