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      02-18-2018, 05:03 PM   #463
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So what’s the best intercooler for Pure S2 100% e85 pushing 650-700whp? My old 5 in Forge Fmic is really struggling at the end of 4th on a hot 35 deg C day. It can go from 90f to 130f at times. Need to connect my meth again. Just waiting for a cm3 jet.
at 650+ i would go with VRSF 7.5" intercooler
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No sir, not extra lag or pressure drop associated with a well designed intercooler. Efficient end tanks and fin pack help to prevent both pressure drop and lag
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Thanks for the notification on the big rebate for the Wagner EVO I - I would have ordered through you if I was on your side of the pond, but since i'm 10 000kms away from Vegas I ordered directly from Wagner in Germany (same rebate currently)

For anyone (in the US or rest of the world) willing to buy this excellent (for those of us that are Stock /near Stock) intercooler, hurry up - I was notified by Wagner that it was the last production batch, after the stock is gone, no more Evo I for the E8X/E9X platform...
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Thanks for the notification on the big rebate for the Wagner EVO I - I would have ordered through you if I was on your side of the pond, but since i'm 10 000kms away from Vegas I ordered directly from Wagner in Germany (same rebate currently)

For anyone (in the US or rest of the world) willing to buy this excellent (for those of us that are Stock /near Stock) intercooler, hurry up - I was notified by Wagner that it was the last production batch, after the stock is gone, no more Evo I for the E8X/E9X platform...
Yes, it's the last batch on the Evo 1, once they are sold out they are not making them anymore.
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Thanks for the notification on the big rebate for the Wagner EVO I - I would have ordered through you if I was on your side of the pond, but since i'm 10 000kms away from Vegas I ordered directly from Wagner in Germany (same rebate currently)

For anyone (in the US or rest of the world) willing to buy this excellent (for those of us that are Stock /near Stock) intercooler, hurry up - I was notified by Wagner that it was the last production batch, after the stock is gone, no more Evo I for the E8X/E9X platform...
Congrats on your purchase
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Hey Guys, I need your advice:
For the Wagner Evo I on a 335 Xi, a local shop I never tried before (independent BMW specialist) told me they need 2 hrs and +/- 200$ to install it correctly...Seems to me a little bit excessive from what I'm reading here
I objected that there was no bumper removal involved, and piping was the same, the mechanic told me even if proceeding from below the fan was in the way and he had to move it, hence the 2hrs, and that it "Always seems simple on paper, but more complicated when doing the job".

Do they know what they're doing or is it a ripoff ?

Thx :-)
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...a local shop I never tried before...the mechanic told me even if proceeding from below the fan was in the way and he had to move it, hence the 2hrs...
Sounds like a snow job to me. If not done from below, how else would it be done?
And if the fan is in the way how do they propose to resolve that? Move the fan?

I did my Mishimoto (with stock connectors) from below and it took all of 1 hour total, including removing the undertrays to get ready for an oil change. It's a simple job, and if you have a few tools you can do it yourself on ramps in your garage like I did.
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Hey Guys, I need your advice:
For the Wagner Evo I on a 335 Xi, a local shop I never tried before (independent BMW specialist) told me they need 2 hrs and +/- 200$ to install it correctly...Seems to me a little bit excessive from what I'm reading here
I objected that there was no bumper removal involved, and piping was the same, the mechanic told me even if proceeding from below the fan was in the way and he had to move it, hence the 2hrs, and that it "Always seems simple on paper, but more complicated when doing the job".

Do they know what they're doing or is it a ripoff ?

Thx :-)
Not to be rude but if you think it is so quick why not just do it yourself?

If I was a shop I would charge 2 hours for any n54 IC install.
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Point taken, I was just a little bit doubtful about the "Move the fan" operation, I will probably go through him in the end anyway (no ramps available @ home), since I just read 10 mins ago the M Guys in my area recommend him I guess he's not bad at his job...
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Hey Guys, I need your advice:
For the Wagner Evo I on a 335 Xi, a local shop I never tried before (independent BMW specialist) told me they need 2 hrs and +/- 200$ to install it correctly...Seems to me a little bit excessive from what I'm reading here
I objected that there was no bumper removal involved, and piping was the same, the mechanic told me even if proceeding from below the fan was in the way and he had to move it, hence the 2hrs, and that it "Always seems simple on paper, but more complicated when doing the job".

Do they know what they're doing or is it a ripoff ?

Thx :-)
The fan doesn't have to be removed. Not entirely against the 2 hours of labor but it should really only take an hour.

Honestly, it's pretty simple. Remove the lower shield. 2 clips on the stock FMIC to unscrew it. 2 Couplers. Reinstall the new FMIC. Reinstall lower shield.
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Point taken, I was just a little bit doubtful about the "Move the fan" operation, I will probably go through him in the end anyway (no ramps available @ home), since I just read 10 mins ago the M Guys in my area recommend him I guess he's not bad at his job...
Buying a decent set of ramps will be cheaper than him fwiw. It is not that hard of a job depending on the IC. Plenty of DIY guides. That is the route I would suggest. it also means you will be able to uninstall it yourself when you sell the car some day.
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Hey Guys, I need your advice:
For the Wagner Evo I on a 335 Xi, a local shop I never tried before (independent BMW specialist) told me they need 2 hrs and +/- 200$ to install it correctly...Seems to me a little bit excessive from what I'm reading here
I objected that there was no bumper removal involved, and piping was the same, the mechanic told me even if proceeding from below the fan was in the way and he had to move it, hence the 2hrs, and that it "Always seems simple on paper, but more complicated when doing the job".

Do they know what they're doing or is it a ripoff ?

Thx :-)
Job does not take 2 hours, try finding someone else or as mentioned above get a set of ramps and do it yourself. It is a very straight forward install
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Point taken, I was just a little bit doubtful about the "Move the fan" operation, I will probably go through him in the end anyway (no ramps available @ home), since I just read 10 mins ago the M Guys in my area recommend him I guess he's not bad at his job...
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Hi, I'm new here on this great forum!

I'm getting my 06 335i fitted with VRSF downpipes, MMP-e Inlets and upgraded intercooler. Already have the first two ready to go on. Now looking for a good quality IC. I hate poor fitting stuff, and I hate poor quality items, just because I'm a mechanical engineer working for a company that builds high quality offshore equipment. So I don't mind paying a bit more for a good fitment and finish. There are so many ICs for my car available, but almost no vendor specifies for which application is their IC the best.
I'm looking for a little over 400 crank HP on Ron98, no Meth etc. Will be custom ECU flash only, no JB4.

What IC should I buy?
I'm leaning towards Wagner but I think the Evo 1 performance isn't good enough, looking at test results from Mosselman Turbo http://www.mosselmanturbo.com/wp-con..._Mosselman.pdf

I like AMS, but too expensive once imported into the Netherlands.
ATM looks good as well, but specs are not clear (core size etc)
is VSRF 5" good enough for my application, or should I go for the 7" which looks very similar to the CTS Turbo IC.

Thanks for your advice on my setup!
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Hi, I'm new here on this great forum!

I'm getting my 06 335i fitted with VRSF downpipes, MMP-e Inlets and upgraded intercooler. Already have the first two ready to go on. Now looking for a good quality IC. I hate poor fitting stuff, and I hate poor quality items, just because I'm a mechanical engineer working for a company that builds high quality offshore equipment. So I don't mind paying a bit more for a good fitment and finish. There are so many ICs for my car available, but almost no vendor specifies for which application is their IC the best.
I'm looking for a little over 400 crank HP on Ron98, no Meth etc. Will be custom ECU flash only, no JB4.

What IC should I buy?
I'm leaning towards Wagner but I think the Evo 1 performance isn't good enough, looking at test results from Mosselman Turbo http://www.mosselmanturbo.com/wp-con..._Mosselman.pdf

I like AMS, but too expensive once imported into the Netherlands.
ATM looks good as well, but specs are not clear (core size etc)
is VSRF 5" good enough for my application, or should I go for the 7" which looks very similar to the CTS Turbo IC.

Thanks for your advice on my setup!
I'd go with VRSF 7" at a minimum. If you want a really good core from VRSF consider the HD cores instead.
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I'd go with VRSF 7" at a minimum. If you want a really good core from VRSF consider the HD cores instead.
Seconded. The 7”HD will outperform all the listed options without breaking a sweat.
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Hi, I'm new here on this great forum!

I'm getting my 06 335i fitted with VRSF downpipes, MMP-e Inlets and upgraded intercooler. Already have the first two ready to go on. Now looking for a good quality IC. I hate poor fitting stuff, and I hate poor quality items, just because I'm a mechanical engineer working for a company that builds high quality offshore equipment. So I don't mind paying a bit more for a good fitment and finish. There are so many ICs for my car available, but almost no vendor specifies for which application is their IC the best.
I'm looking for a little over 400 crank HP on Ron98, no Meth etc. Will be custom ECU flash only, no JB4.

What IC should I buy?
I'm leaning towards Wagner but I think the Evo 1 performance isn't good enough, looking at test results from Mosselman Turbo http://www.mosselmanturbo.com/wp-con..._Mosselman.pdf

I like AMS, but too expensive once imported into the Netherlands.
ATM looks good as well, but specs are not clear (core size etc)
is VSRF 5" good enough for my application, or should I go for the 7" which looks very similar to the CTS Turbo IC.

Thanks for your advice on my setup!
Wagner EVO II or VRSF 7" HD
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Wagner EVO II or VRSF 7" HD
Thank you all for the quick responses.
I will be running stock turbos, I was under the impression the 7” HD isn’t very good for stock turbos due to its higher pressure drop?

If I were to go for Wagner Evo II, will it make a difference between performance or competition? Will I be paying more for the competition for less weight only or also slight better performance? I guess the pressure drop numbers and graphs on Wagner site are clear on that, it’s also performance but not sure about real experience?
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Thank you all for the quick responses.
I will be running stock turbos, I was under the impression the 7” HD isn’t very good for stock turbos due to its higher pressure drop?

If I were to go for Wagner Evo II, will it make a difference between performance or competition? Will I be paying more for the competition for less weight only or also slight better performance? I guess the pressure drop numbers and graphs on Wagner site are clear on that, it’s also performance but not sure about real experience?
7" HD is perfect for stock turbo. You are thinking of the 7.5" Race which is ment for 650whp+

Wagner Comp weighs 40% less than wagner Performance, it also recovers temp a lot faster than any other option out there.
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Thank you all for the quick responses.
I will be running stock turbos, I was under the impression the 7” HD isn’t very good for stock turbos due to its higher pressure drop?

If I were to go for Wagner Evo II, will it make a difference between performance or competition? Will I be paying more for the competition for less weight only or also slight better performance? I guess the pressure drop numbers and graphs on Wagner site are clear on that, it’s also performance but not sure about real experience?
7" HD is perfectly fine for stock turbo's. It's our preferred recommendation for any set up. The VRSF 7" is a great value intercooler but anyone serious about intercooler performance should at least stick with an HD core from VRSF. There are many other brands that are already "HD" such as Wagner, ETS, ER, ATM (to name a few) that people already utilize with stock turbo vehicles.
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