[TargaM2]

Originally Posted by P1

Thank you for summarizing. A helpful post is always appreciated more than a snarky TargaM2 comment.

Pot - kettle 🙄

[TargaM2]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Well to be fair, I did take a few "shots" at the Brit accent (which I like*) and the Monarchy. But USA arrogance got us to the moon, so I'll take it as a "+".

*just don't try to sell me stuff with it.

And I love how "aluminum" and "chassis" are pronounced by the Brits.

Is this where your supposed to stand up & sing the national anthem. 🤣
Never cease to be amazed at how US members can be so completely ignorant & yet so abundantly arrogant both at the same time.
Such an obviously screwed up nation so apparent to the rest of the world & yet a nation so poorly educated & self centered they are blissfully unaware of it…truly an amazing feat.

[wdb]

Originally Posted by TargaM2

Is this where your supposed to stand up & sing the national anthem. 🤣
Never cease to be amazed at how US members can be so completely ignorant & yet so abundantly arrogant both at the same time.
Such an obviously screwed up nation so apparent to the rest of the world & yet a nation so poorly educated & self centered they are blissfully unaware of it…truly an amazing feat.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by TargaM2

Is this where your supposed to stand up & sing the national anthem. ��
Never cease to be amazed at how US members can be so completely ignorant & yet so abundantly arrogant both at the same time.
Such an obviously screwed up nation so apparent to the rest of the world & yet a nation so poorly educated & self centered they are blissfully unaware of it…truly an amazing feat.

Bro no need to get nasty. Besides I’m sure you know Americans don’t care what other countries think.

[P1]

Originally Posted by TargaM2

Is this where your supposed to stand up & sing the national anthem. 🤣
Never cease to be amazed at how US members can be so completely ignorant & yet so abundantly arrogant both at the same time.
Such an obviously screwed up nation so apparent to the rest of the world & yet a nation so poorly educated & self centered they are blissfully unaware of it…truly an amazing feat.

Good grief. And all that ranting on a Saturday?

[x622]

Originally Posted by P1

Good grief. And all that ranting on a Saturday?

It's ok. He's mad because he's from Australia. It's a "first world" authoritarian hellscape like Canada.

It's always funny when you insult a country, because we all have total control over what ours do.

[TargaM2]

Originally Posted by P1

Good grief. And all that ranting on a Saturday?

It’s Sunday here, the time zones aren’t all the same as the US genius…point made yet again…keep digging.🤣

[P1]

Originally Posted by TargaM2

It’s Sunday here, the time zones aren’t all the same as the US genius…point made yet again…keep digging.🤣

How is it Sunday there? Do you live in the future or something? Nice try!

[TargaM2]

Originally Posted by P1

How is it Sunday there? Do you live in the future or something? Nice try!

OMG the sad thing is I actually believe your serious.🤣

[Tejas1836]

Originally Posted by TargaM2

Is this where your supposed to stand up & sing the national anthem. 🤣
Never cease to be amazed at how US members can be so completely ignorant & yet so abundantly arrogant both at the same time.
Such an obviously screwed up nation so apparent to the rest of the world & yet a nation so poorly educated & self centered they are blissfully unaware of it…truly an amazing feat.

Can't argue with that

[///MPhatic]

I had never even heard of HG until a few months ago, and I have liked every video I've seen, including this one.

His assessment is spot on IMO; stop building new cars, we have plenty. Make the EV infrastructure work before you flood the market with bad tech EV's that can't be charged or supported.

In short, calm the F down on EV's.

[TargaM2]

My initial post was to encourage an EV discussion as I am admittedly not an EV advocate & like other enthusiasts am sick of having the EV propaganda shoved down my throat on this site & elsewhere.
Thus if you have something to contribute please do so as I’d genuinely like to hear your take on the EV issue, if your just a troll save your breath as ive simply blocked the f-ckwits so won’t see your post or reply.
In an attempt to get things back on track I’ve added my post below in the hope to encourage some intelligent input & perhaps gain some knowledge of the subject from those better informed (am I shooting too high) ?…


As inefficient as they currently are I really don’t see the EV vehicles being the issue. The manufacturers will nail them in time.
The issue is the infrastructure or complete lack there of & apparent lack of planning at any level.
The governments are pushing this agenda & yet not investing in a support infrastructure. We can’t all move over to EV’s & then obtain the electricity to charge them from oil/coal powered power stations as that’s not solving anything. Wind power is next to useless as far as productivity goes & while some countries are relying on gas it obviously has environmental drawbacks also.
It seems we have been pushed into this without any consideration to what we are actually creating here & the impending drawbacks.

Why aren’t we pushing to electrify the big polluters such as airplanes, ships, etc. The impact from these heavy polluters is massive compared to passenger vehicles yet there seems to be no concern with ‘fixing’ these ?.
Why is there not a consistent target for each country/region, there is no point in one country pushing for 90% EV usage when the country next door is pushing for 5%. We are all on the same earth & all breathe the same air thus if this is to work surely it needs to be a global plan. For example if countries such as China & India are not onboard this will pretty much negate whatever benefit the rest of us manage.
What about synthetic fuels & Hydrogen, surely these should be researched further or are these possible solutions being killed off by those with an EV agenda ?.
I’m kinda glad the local vehicle manufacturers here have folded as we don’t have those vested interest to deal with at least.

On a personal level, what happens when we all plug in & charge at home…the power networks are already stretched - blackouts ?.
What about when batteries die in your car in 10 or so years time, the tech is moving on so fast that everything is becoming obsolete almost overnight so will you even be able to replace them ? Or do you just junk the whole car ?. Surely that can’t be a sensible option given what it costs the environment to produce & dispose of a whole car, not to mention the nasty battery itself.
What about resale value ? Is this based on what life is left in a battery as I doubt replacing them will be a viable option, thus who’s going to buy a used EV ?. It seems to me you will buy a new EV car, keep it till it dies & throw it away then buy another etc. etc. etc.
I’m sure the manufacturers have answers to many of their problems but they are not responsible for the support networks & are simply concerned with profit, my worry is the political involvement required as governments by nature are purely self serving & only concerned with things for the brief few years they are in power, which will result in the goalposts constantly being moved every 4 years (or whatever political term your country has) which can’t be good for progress.
I hope the transition to EV is as simple as those with an agenda to push seem to think but I fear it will be far from that.

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by ///MPhatic

I had never even heard of HG until a few months ago, and I have liked every video I've seen, including this one.

His assessment is spot on IMO; stop building new cars, we have plenty. Make the EV infrastructure work before you flood the market with bad tech EV's that can't be charged or supported.

In short, calm the F down on EV's.

I hear a lot of EV proponents comment "build it and they will come", meaning build the EV's and the infrastructure will be forced to serve them. I think those that say that have a fundamental misunderstanding of how things work, and where power really comes from. They seem to think "power comes from the wall" and that it's unlimited, and think little more about it.

I think it ought to be the other way around, build the infrastructure and EV's will thrive. They will become a no-brainer choice. We are a few decades from that reality, and that's assuming we started today, and we haven't...

[TargaM2]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

I hear a lot of EV proponents comment "build it and they will come", meaning build the EV's and the infrastructure will be forced to serve them. I think those that say that have a fundamental misunderstanding of how things work, and where power really comes from. They seem to think "power comes from the wall" and that it's unlimited, and think little more about it.

I think it ought to be the other way around, build the infrastructure and EV's will thrive. They will become a no-brainer choice. We are a few decades from that reality, and that's assuming we started today, and we haven't...

Agreed, there seems to be a suck it & see approach to this whole issue, which is astonishing given what’s at stake.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by TargaM2

Agreed, there seems to be a suck it & see approach to this whole issue, which is astonishing given what’s at stake.

Whats at stake?

[MichaelB1969]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

meanwhile Tesla announced price slashing on all models yesterday....from 6-20% reduction

People who recently bought are not happy....people who were looking to buy are stoked!!

You can now get a Model 3 Performance for $53,990 and qualify for the $7500 tax credit....

3.1 second 0-60 car for about $45k

shut up and take my money!!!


Anyone want to buy my F32???

HMU

Count me as someone not happy. We had a Model 3 that was near the end of the lease term and Tesla prompted us to take delivery of a new one after the $3,750 “discount” in mid-December.

Then after we took delivery they doubled the discount, then they reduced prices further. Basically, if we waited a few weeks, we could have gotten a Model 3 Performance for the same as what we paid for the Dual Motor.

On top of all that they nickel and dime’d us trying to charge us for some curb rash on the wheels and other minor stuff. Most manufacturers don’t do this if you buy/lease another vehicle from them.

They also screwed us over on the prior car as we paid ~$2,000 for the Pearl White paint, then they made it a free standard color about 1.5 weeks later. 😡

Trying to talk to anyone at Tesla, nevermind getting them to make a decision is extraordinarily frustrating.

Horrible customer service. No one there talks to anyone else. I literally get 4 to 5 emails from different people there about the same issue, and none of them have any idea what going on. And when I do get a message and I reply, I get a response about 10% of the time.

Horrible treatment of loyal customers with their pricing policies/decisions.

I love the cars, but with more and more competition, they had better start treating customers better and focus on the customer experience instead of playing pricing games to maximize sales at the expense (pun intended) of their loyal customers.

Honestly, really can’t stand the company. Again, cars are great.

By the way, not everyone will be able to take advantage of the tax credit as there are income limits. For example, if you file jointly, need to be under $300K in order to qualify.

Okay, rant over. I feel better now. 😬

[M3WC]

My local Benz dealer is learning first hand what "EV reality" is. Over 50% of their physical inventory is EQ models(45 units). My long time salesmen said they are not selling and are forced on them by corporate.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Life and death!

Indeed? Generally people act differently in a life or death situation. I suspect that if you really deep down inside the bottom of your heart, believe the earth is dying because of carbon dioxide put off by ICE vehicles that you absolutely would not own one and would also spend most of your time telling other people they shouldn’t own one. Otherwise, in my opinion, to speak on the subject, outside of personal action is nothing more than virtue signaling. And that my friends, I will never take seriously from any individual claiming advocacy. I think the gentleman named Harry in the original video on the first post of this thread, finds himself in a unique situation. If he does not claim, at least some advocacy, especially considering the country he resides in, he will most definitely be canceled if not even investigated by governmental authorities. Canceled individuals don’t do very well from YouTube revenue.

[SoCal_NSX]

Originally Posted by MichaelB1969

Count me as someone not happy. We had a Model 3 that was near the end of the lease term and Tesla prompted us to take delivery of a new one after the $3,750 “discount” in mid-December.

Then after we took delivery they doubled the discount, then they reduced prices further. Basically, if we waited a few weeks, we could have gotten a Model 3 Performance for the same as what we paid for the Dual Motor.

On top of all that they nickel and dime’d us trying to charge us for some curb rash on the wheels and other minor stuff. Most manufacturers don’t do this if you buy/lease another vehicle from them.

They also screwed us over on the prior car as we paid ~$2,000 for the Pearl White paint, then they made it a free standard color about 1.5 weeks later. ��

Trying to talk to anyone at Tesla, nevermind getting them to make a decision is extraordinarily frustrating.

Horrible customer service. No one there talks to anyone else. I literally get 4 to 5 emails from different people there about the same issue, and none of them have any idea what going on. And when I do get a message and I reply, I get a response about 10% of the time.

Horrible treatment of loyal customers with their pricing policies/decisions.

I love the cars, but with more and more competition, they had better start treating customers better and focus on the customer experience instead of playing pricing games to maximize sales at the expense (pun intended) of their loyal customers.

Honestly, really can’t stand the company. Again, cars are great.

By the way, not everyone will be able to take advantage of the tax credit as there are income limits. For example, if you file jointly, need to be under $300K in order to qualify.

Okay, rant over. I feel better now. ��

Yeah I have a few friends who aren't real happy right now about the incredible price drop...one paid $66K for a Model Y with no tax credit like 6 months ago...she is crying

Now I can get same car for $54K and get up to $7500 fed tax credit

damn near $20K difference if you got the full tax credit


actually went to my local Tesla dealer today and test drove the dual motor
Model Y and was very impressed with its acceleration ...it's an absolute steal right now and is the best bargain with the current Tesla price cuts...

[StradaRedlands]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

Yeah I have a few friends who aren't real happy right now about the incredible price drop...one paid $66K for a Model Y with no tax credit like 6 months ago...she is crying

Now I can get same car for $54K and get up to $7500 fed tax credit

damn near $20K difference if you got the full tax credit


actually went to my local Tesla dealer today and test drove the dual motor
Model Y and was very impressed with its acceleration ...it's an absolute steal right now and is the best bargain with the current Tesla price cuts...

Yeah, the price drop on the Y got my attention as well. To the point of my going to their online configurator to check a build out. I was curious so looked at the i4 and it came out to $54k but without the $7,500 tax credit. With the credit went to that as well, but I think I'd take that hit to get the i4 over the Y.
But my $3,700 330i keeps trucking along...

[kyriian]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Creating ICE-Eletric vehicles make the most sense because they do not disrupt the electrical energy production industry and does not affect the petrochemical industry. Politicians the world over are not smart enough to understand these concepts.

And you bitch about Americans being ignorant.

You forget, that politicians don't need to understand, nor care what they have to spew out, when the typical voter don't care enough about their car as it is, nor smart enough to understand the actual available technologies unless they are directly involved in that particular industry.

[Alfisti]

I think it's a genius move if they are still making margin TBH.