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BMW Munich plant ceases ICE car production in 2027. Begins Neue Klasse EVs in 2026
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01-11-2024, 06:15 PM | #89 |
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I'll take EVs seriously when the unelected bureaucrats and politicians stop flying in private jets and stop owning multiple beach side mansions.
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01-11-2024, 06:16 PM | #90 | |
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I will agree that we all need to abide by the Social Contract. Unfortunately, this appears to have weakened greatly over the last 25-30 years. If we can't figure out mutual benefit and service to others, a higher form of altruism, I fear many other things will also unravel as well. We humans appear to be overly self-destructive and outwardly aggressive - our government should be expected to be a form of and push for a more idealized version of our society. And whether you like it or not, regulation and laws reflect that idealized state. Or at least should. And I think that's the rub. BEVs pollute less and are more energy efficient? I'm pretty sure the science shows that. Oil and petroleum products have caused mass pollution for decades? Again, science is on our side on that one (and no, carbon dioxide IS NOT harmless) The economics of propping up the oil and gas industry? Capitalism argues that a profitable industry likely doesn't need trillions of dollars from the government and our taxes. I get it - the devil is in the details, and we can argue when and how quickly to implement a change over. But damn it, why does it feel like people are trying to run out the clock on this one? To some, its running out the clock on who is in charge of the government. But to some like us, its literally running the clock out on humanity. And that pisses me off. Just so some greasy businessmen can milk out a few more bucks, or some disingenuous politician can pocket a few bills. Maybe we need to look a bit beyond ourself, and think of others for once. |
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01-11-2024, 06:17 PM | #91 |
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Exactly. I wouldn't get too excited by all these "end of the ICE" predictions. Kind of like all of the predictions of all of us burning up and the world ending due to global warming.
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01-11-2024, 06:23 PM | #92 | |
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Conspicuous consumption is gross, but don't say we can't all do some good individually. I saw a bag of garbage on the side of the street today - but that's not to say I'm now going to dispose of my trash that way. If our high road always counts on the lowest common denominator...we're not getting anywhere. |
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01-11-2024, 06:32 PM | #93 | |
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01-11-2024, 06:34 PM | #94 | |
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??? What?? Are you equating what I posted with the EV crowd? Maybe you need to work on your reading comprehension. Yes, in fact, I’m pretty fun at parties and I can carry on an intelligent conversation while I’m there. Thanks for noticing.
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The point is a well maintained engine can easily go 300,000 - 500,000 miles or more. Well maintained engines don’t need to be replaced at 150,000 miles. As it stands right now EV batteries have roughly a ten year life span and then they have to be replaced if you want to keep using the car.
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Like this Telsa that's over 300K miles on its original battery and brakes... https://www.autoevolution.com/news/t...ow-194534.html But there are a lot more older Toyota's on the road than older BMW's so I'm still not sure this is a point that makes sense for you to make. But you do you. ![]() |
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01-11-2024, 08:15 PM | #102 |
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Absolutely! Look at buildings; construction, architecture / engineering. Biggest energy dump of them all.
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There are a lot more Toyotas sold in the United States than BMWs. Toyota generally has around 14% - 16% market share in the U.S. BMW stays pretty consistent at 2.5%
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01-11-2024, 09:11 PM | #108 |
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Good luck. EV is unsustainable for the long haul.
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01-11-2024, 10:49 PM | #109 |
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They will change there mind in 2024
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