E90Post
 


The Tire Rack
 
BMW 3-Series (E90 E92) Forum > BMW E90/E92/E93 3-series General Forums > Photo/Video/Media Gallery > Building the E92 328csl



Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
      05-27-2022, 04:48 PM   #1013
Tambohamilton
Colonel
United Kingdom
2226
Rep
2,819
Posts

Drives: E91 330d
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Wiltshire, UK

iTrader: (0)

Ultralight wheels for the street, meaty ones for the track...you sure?

They look sweet. No way I could ever own them; I'd trash them in a day!
Appreciate 1
Biginboca3457.50
      05-27-2022, 06:23 PM   #1014
Biginboca
Colonel
Biginboca's Avatar
3458
Rep
2,681
Posts

Drives: 2009 E92 328i 6MT
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Boynton Beach, FL... USA

iTrader: (3)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tambohamilton View Post
Ultralight wheels for the street, meaty ones for the track...you sure?

They look sweet. No way I could ever own them; I'd trash them in a day!
These new wheels are about 1/2lb lighter each than the Arc 8ís in the same sizes. So pretty much interchangeable I was actually considering running ARC8 on one side of the car and the other side running the VS-5RS. The sizes and offsets are identical and the weights almost identical lol
Appreciate 2
fazm274.00
Torgus3236.50
      05-28-2022, 11:45 AM   #1015
Phil325i
Brigadier General
Phil325i's Avatar
United Kingdom
511
Rep
3,027
Posts

Drives: E92 325i MSport Coupe
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: UK South East

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
Looking forward to your report on the effect they have on ride quality Al...
__________________
E92 pre-LCI 325i - Ohlins R&T; H&R spacers; M3 strut brace; Swift thrust sheets; 3 x chassis braces; diff brace; N53 V-brace; 034 subframe inserts; BMS clutch stop; BMS CDV; RE g/box mounts; Delrin shift bushes; Saikoumichi OCC; Cyba scoops; BMW Perf Exhaust; HEL s/steel brake hoses; M3 rear spoiler; Recaro Sportster CSs; M3 white dash LEDs; LED Angels; LED side repeaters; BMW Perf black grille; CSL reps; SSDD carbon diffuser; Monster Wrap black roof/clear front
Appreciate 0
      05-28-2022, 01:28 PM   #1016
Biginboca
Colonel
Biginboca's Avatar
3458
Rep
2,681
Posts

Drives: 2009 E92 328i 6MT
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Boynton Beach, FL... USA

iTrader: (3)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil325i View Post
Looking forward to your report on the effect they have on ride quality Al...
Phil, you talking about the wheels? I have no reason to think it would change, they are pretty much identical weight and specs to the ones on the car and Iím running the same brand and size tires. So I would guess any quality improvements will be in my emotional state when Iím looking at them lol
Appreciate 0
      05-29-2022, 07:04 AM   #1017
Phil325i
Brigadier General
Phil325i's Avatar
United Kingdom
511
Rep
3,027
Posts

Drives: E92 325i MSport Coupe
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: UK South East

iTrader: (1)

Garage List
Quote:
Originally Posted by Biginboca View Post
Phil, you talking about the wheels? I have no reason to think it would change, they are pretty much identical weight and specs to the ones on the car and Iím running the same brand and size tires. So I would guess any quality improvements will be in my emotional state when Iím looking at them lol
Fair comment! I guess my question then would be what change in ride did you notice when you fitted your current wheels..?
__________________
E92 pre-LCI 325i - Ohlins R&T; H&R spacers; M3 strut brace; Swift thrust sheets; 3 x chassis braces; diff brace; N53 V-brace; 034 subframe inserts; BMS clutch stop; BMS CDV; RE g/box mounts; Delrin shift bushes; Saikoumichi OCC; Cyba scoops; BMW Perf Exhaust; HEL s/steel brake hoses; M3 rear spoiler; Recaro Sportster CSs; M3 white dash LEDs; LED Angels; LED side repeaters; BMW Perf black grille; CSL reps; SSDD carbon diffuser; Monster Wrap black roof/clear front
Appreciate 0
      05-29-2022, 08:41 AM   #1018
Biginboca
Colonel
Biginboca's Avatar
3458
Rep
2,681
Posts

Drives: 2009 E92 328i 6MT
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Boynton Beach, FL... USA

iTrader: (3)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil325i View Post
Fair comment! I guess my question then would be what change in ride did you notice when you fitted your current wheels..?
I went from oem wheels (28lbs) to VMR V710 wheels (22lbs) to Apex ARC8’s (19lbs) to the new Apex VS-5RS (18lbs).

Each time the car felt a little less sluggish in all ways, but it wasn’t a huge difference because it was small progression each step. But if you went from stock wheels to like Arc8’s and knocked off around 10lbs each wheel that would be a huge difference! You would feel that. Porsche estimates 1lb of wheel weight is worth 6lbs of static weight for how it affects handling and performance.

So do the math. Losing 6lbs per wheel for the first evolution I went though would be like losing 6x6x4 lbs off the car, or 144lbs of static weight. So the difference of having a passenger or not. You can feel that.

Now imagine going from stock wheels at 28lbs to my new wheels at 18lbs… 10x6x4 = 240lbs! That is a huge step up in performance gain!
Appreciate 2
Phil325i511.00
      05-29-2022, 03:39 PM   #1019
2one3E90
Major
2232
Rep
1,446
Posts

Drives: Bmw 330i and Bmw 328i
Join Date: Dec 2020
Location: Los Angeles

iTrader: (0)

lets do a 30 roll
Appreciate 1
Biginboca3457.50
      05-29-2022, 04:34 PM   #1020
Biginboca
Colonel
Biginboca's Avatar
3458
Rep
2,681
Posts

Drives: 2009 E92 328i 6MT
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Boynton Beach, FL... USA

iTrader: (3)

Quote:
Originally Posted by 2one3E90 View Post
lets do a 30 roll
Come on by anytime man, happy to try it. Iíd rather hit a road course though!
Appreciate 1
2one3E902232.00
      05-29-2022, 04:45 PM   #1021
Biginboca
Colonel
Biginboca's Avatar
3458
Rep
2,681
Posts

Drives: 2009 E92 328i 6MT
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Boynton Beach, FL... USA

iTrader: (3)

Little bit of modding today. At the autocross a few weeks ago I found my shifter was giving me some frustration. Driving home I just wasn’t happy with it. Honestly I’ve never been happy with it. I’ve tried 4 different short shifters, replaced all the bushings with Delrin, tried 2 different DSSR set ups. I can’t help but think the crap transmission BMW used in these cars is just hopeless. It’ll never be like a P Car or Honda.

So today I did another mod. Currently I’m running the Turner adjustable short shifter. The plus is that the center ball is adjustable up or down, and the rod that knobs attach to is a also adjustable up or down like 1.5”. So I bought it thinking with all that adjustability maybe I could make something work to my satisfaction. I tried the short shift knob attachment and loved that it worked with oem style pop on knobs, but it was too short.

So I tried the long Rally style and it was much taller but maybe too tall for me and it only uses a proprietary threaded on Delrin knob that has no shift pattern on it. Because my build is more OEM plus than track car that always bothered me. I ran this set up but found the longer shifter magnified the play and I also deleted the center console lid last week so with my elbow resting lower the shifter felt too high with my new set up, even in its lowest position.



So today I made a new shifter out of the tall one that’s halfway between the 2 in height and uses pop on style oem knobs. This I’m thrilled with!

It was easy all I had to do was turn down the body of the shifter from 15 to 14mm, add a channel for the BMW shift knob grippers to click into, and then groove the top of the knob to make sure it didn’t rotate the shift pattern displayed on top out of alignment.











Very happy with this new height. So it’s a medium height short shifter that’s fully adjustable for throw and can be raised and lowered about 1.5”. And using OEM style knobs is always a plus. Turner should have offered this from go. The action and throw is very similar to S2000 shifter maybe a little bit harder to get into gear though because I have it set for the shortest throws. I think it’s now as good as this crap GM manual tranny can get.
Appreciate 2
      05-29-2022, 04:58 PM   #1022
Tambohamilton
Colonel
United Kingdom
2226
Rep
2,819
Posts

Drives: E91 330d
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Wiltshire, UK

iTrader: (0)

Haha, sick! Excellent ghetto lathe work! Shame you didn't get the ZF boxes on yours, though I'm sure the linkage still has the same issues. The ZF boxes are tough as nails though, and the shift feel is great I think. Maybe worth researching a retrofit, in case the benefits could outweigh the £200 + shipping etc?
Appreciate 1
Biginboca3457.50
      05-29-2022, 05:31 PM   #1023
Biginboca
Colonel
Biginboca's Avatar
3458
Rep
2,681
Posts

Drives: 2009 E92 328i 6MT
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Boynton Beach, FL... USA

iTrader: (3)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tambohamilton View Post
Haha, sick! Excellent ghetto lathe work! Shame you didn't get the ZF boxes on yours, though I'm sure the linkage still has the same issues. The ZF boxes are tough as nails though, and the shift feel is great I think. Maybe worth researching a retrofit, in case the benefits could outweigh the £200 + shipping etc?
I think the US 330i (2006 MY only) had the ZF same as our 335i starting in 2007. The n52 US e9x cars had the GM from 2007 on.

The only good things I can say about the GM tranny are:

Itís lighter than the ZF
Itís not an automatic

Those are the only positive attributes lol
Appreciate 0
      05-29-2022, 06:55 PM   #1024
Tambohamilton
Colonel
United Kingdom
2226
Rep
2,819
Posts

Drives: E91 330d
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Wiltshire, UK

iTrader: (0)

Ah yeah, I forget the 35i had zf. Well, run the GM until it breaks, then upgrade
Appreciate 1
Biginboca3457.50
      05-30-2022, 01:12 PM   #1025
Biginboca
Colonel
Biginboca's Avatar
3458
Rep
2,681
Posts

Drives: 2009 E92 328i 6MT
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Boynton Beach, FL... USA

iTrader: (3)

I’ll be get some better pics of the new wheels soon, just was able to get a few preliminary pics between thunderstorms.

Before (apex arc8 bronze) and After (VS-5RS Brushed)







Appreciate 3
      05-30-2022, 02:09 PM   #1026
BdSM n54iS
Brigadier General
BdSM n54iS's Avatar
United_States
2495
Rep
4,089
Posts

Drives: In front of flashing lights
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Pulled over on the side of the road

iTrader: (7)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Biginboca View Post
Little bit of modding today. At the autocross a few weeks ago I found my shifter was giving me some frustration. Driving home I just wasnít happy with it. Honestly Iíve never been happy with it. Iíve tried 4 different short shifters, replaced all the bushings with Delrin, tried 2 different DSSR set ups. I canít help but think the crap transmission BMW used in these cars is just hopeless. Itíll never be like a P Car or Honda.

So today I did another mod. Currently Iím running the Turner adjustable short shifter. The plus is that the center ball is adjustable up or down, and the rod that knobs attach to is a also adjustable up or down like 1.5Ē. So I bought it thinking with all that adjustability maybe I could make something work to my satisfaction. I tried the short shift knob attachment and loved that it worked with oem style pop on knobs, but it was too short.

So I tried the long Rally style and it was much taller but maybe too tall for me and it only uses a proprietary threaded on Delrin knob that has no shift pattern on it. Because my build is more OEM plus than track car that always bothered me. I ran this set up but found the longer shifter magnified the play and I also deleted the center console lid last week so with my elbow resting lower the shifter felt too high with my new set up, even in its lowest position.



So today I made a new shifter out of the tall one thatís halfway between the 2 in height and uses pop on style oem knobs. This Iím thrilled with!

It was easy all I had to do was turn down the body of the shifter from 15 to 14mm, add a channel for the BMW shift knob grippers to click into, and then groove the top of the knob to make sure it didnít rotate the shift pattern displayed on top out of alignment.











Very happy with this new height. So itís a medium height short shifter thatís fully adjustable for throw and can be raised and lowered about 1.5Ē. And using OEM style knobs is always a plus. Turner should have offered this from go. The action and throw is very similar to S2000 shifter maybe a little bit harder to get into gear though because I have it set for the shortest throws. I think itís now as good as this crap GM manual tranny can get.
Have you looked into the AutoSolutions kit?
__________________
'11 335is BSM MT "BMW Performance Editon"
GruppeM CF Intake | AR Resonated DP | ER CP | Turbosmart RacePort BOV | Cobb FMIC | RB Inlets | RB External Mishi/Turner OCC | Michelin PS4 | BMW Performance Springs/Bilstein B8 + Dinan & M3 bits | BMW Brembo BBK | BMW Performance CF Spoiler | BMW Performance CF Lip | BMW Performance Alcantara | PS Designs GTS Armrest | AG H6-40 | Rear Seat Delete
Appreciate 0
      05-30-2022, 02:19 PM   #1027
Biginboca
Colonel
Biginboca's Avatar
3458
Rep
2,681
Posts

Drives: 2009 E92 328i 6MT
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Boynton Beach, FL... USA

iTrader: (3)

Quote:
Originally Posted by BdSM n54iS View Post
Have you looked into the AutoSolutions kit?
I did! When I checked it out it looked like the same parts Iím currently running. DSSR, a M3 transmission attachment, and a shifter rod with a metal bearing. So I never really thought to look into purchasing one since the parts seem pretty much the same as what I have now.
Appreciate 0
      05-30-2022, 02:33 PM   #1028
BdSM n54iS
Brigadier General
BdSM n54iS's Avatar
United_States
2495
Rep
4,089
Posts

Drives: In front of flashing lights
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Pulled over on the side of the road

iTrader: (7)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Biginboca View Post
I did! When I checked it out it looked like the same parts Iím currently running. DSSR, a M3 transmission attachment, and a shifter rod with a metal bearing. So I never really thought to look into purchasing one since the parts seem pretty much the same as what I have now.
That's pretty much the reason I decided to go with Dinan and a few supporting parts, but the M guys swear by AS, never seen 1 guy upset with the setup. Ron does custom throw % so you can make it however you like. What was your biggest complaint though from the other setups I never read what you didn't like.
__________________
'11 335is BSM MT "BMW Performance Editon"
GruppeM CF Intake | AR Resonated DP | ER CP | Turbosmart RacePort BOV | Cobb FMIC | RB Inlets | RB External Mishi/Turner OCC | Michelin PS4 | BMW Performance Springs/Bilstein B8 + Dinan & M3 bits | BMW Brembo BBK | BMW Performance CF Spoiler | BMW Performance CF Lip | BMW Performance Alcantara | PS Designs GTS Armrest | AG H6-40 | Rear Seat Delete
Appreciate 0
      05-31-2022, 08:35 AM   #1029
rothwem
Major
United_States
380
Rep
1,105
Posts

Drives: 2009 BMW 328i Wagon
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Asheville, NC

iTrader: (0)

Garage List
2009 BMW 328i  [0.00]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Biginboca View Post
I think the US 330i (2006 MY only) had the ZF same as our 335i starting in 2007. The n52 US e9x cars had the GM from 2007 on.

The only good things I can say about the GM tranny are:

It’s lighter than the ZF
It’s not an automatic

Those are the only positive attributes lol
You're confusing the automatic and manual suppliers. What you wrote is correct for automatics. Your car, though, most definitely does not have a GM transmission. I don't think that GM even makes a manual. I don't think they've made a manual since before WWII.

The two suppliers for manuals were Getrag and ZF. I'm not sure what the break point is, but its the same transmission made by two different suppliers.
Appreciate 1
Torgus3236.50
      05-31-2022, 09:01 AM   #1030
Biginboca
Colonel
Biginboca's Avatar
3458
Rep
2,681
Posts

Drives: 2009 E92 328i 6MT
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Boynton Beach, FL... USA

iTrader: (3)

Quote:
Originally Posted by rothwem View Post
You're confusing the automatic and manual suppliers. What you wrote is correct for automatics. Your car, though, most definitely does not have a GM transmission. I don't think that GM even makes a manual. I don't think they've made a manual since before WWII.

The two suppliers for manuals were Getrag and ZF. I'm not sure what the break point is, but its the same transmission made by two different suppliers.
Yes! You are right I had a brain fart. Mine is the Getrag manual.
Appreciate 0
      05-31-2022, 09:07 AM   #1031
Biginboca
Colonel
Biginboca's Avatar
3458
Rep
2,681
Posts

Drives: 2009 E92 328i 6MT
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Boynton Beach, FL... USA

iTrader: (3)

Quote:
Originally Posted by BdSM n54iS View Post
That's pretty much the reason I decided to go with Dinan and a few supporting parts, but the M guys swear by AS, never seen 1 guy upset with the setup. Ron does custom throw % so you can make it however you like. What was your biggest complaint though from the other setups I never read what you didn't like.
If you try a RTD or other chassis mounted shifter on a M3, or try a Porsche/Honda tranny then you’ll see the difference. They have like zero resistance going into gear and just feel locked into place once there. With my manual when I get the throw distance I like the effort is too high and it wants to fight going into gear while the synchros mesh for a second. Like it doesn’t want to slip easily into gear, it wants to make you wait a split second before it yields. And then the shifter play in gear also feels high and rubbery.

The car is outstanding in all respects except the manual driving experience. The heavier flywheel and poor shift quality are the only things keeping the car from being a viable alternative to a manual Cayman S for me. These things just aren’t quite where I want them although for the target market of the 328i originally they are probably ideal.

I’m working on addressing these things (the flywheel will be next year and I’m very close with the shifter now) and getting the car how I want it, more sports car than comfy cruiser. (That said I’m not willing to swap to a chassis mounted shifter because I don’t want to go to firm engine and tranny mounts, my car is primarily a daily so NVH is kept low.)

Last edited by Biginboca; 05-31-2022 at 09:13 AM..
Appreciate 1
Phil325i511.00
      05-31-2022, 11:04 AM   #1032
Tambohamilton
Colonel
United Kingdom
2226
Rep
2,819
Posts

Drives: E91 330d
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Wiltshire, UK

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by rothwem View Post
You're confusing the automatic and manual suppliers. What you wrote is correct for automatics. Your car, though, most definitely does not have a GM transmission. I don't think that GM even makes a manual. I don't think they've made a manual since before WWII.

The two suppliers for manuals were Getrag and ZF. I'm not sure what the break point is, but its the same transmission made by two different suppliers.
Ah good point, I just assumed Biginboca knew what he was talking about

I'm not sure on the specifics, but getrags have a reputation for being not bullet proof, where the ZF are used for all sorts of abuse (fitted to drift cars etc). The gate on the getrag is just too tight. It's firm and satisfying, but takes too much effort. The equivalent ZF almost falls into each gear by comparison, in a good way.
Appreciate 0
      05-31-2022, 12:12 PM   #1033
ornicar
Second Lieutenant
ornicar's Avatar
France
100
Rep
227
Posts

Drives: 125i
Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: France

iTrader: (0)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tambohamilton View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by rothwem View Post
You're confusing the automatic and manual suppliers. What you wrote is correct for automatics. Your car, though, most definitely does not have a GM transmission. I don't think that GM even makes a manual. I don't think they've made a manual since before WWII.

The two suppliers for manuals were Getrag and ZF. I'm not sure what the break point is, but its the same transmission made by two different suppliers.
Ah good point, I just assumed Biginboca knew what he was talking about

I'm not sure on the specifics, but getrags have a reputation for being not bullet proof, where the ZF are used for all sorts of abuse (fitted to drift cars etc). The gate on the getrag is just too tight. It's firm and satisfying, but takes too much effort. The equivalent ZF almost falls into each gear by comparison, in a good way.
If it can help:


https://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...38;postcount=7
Appreciate 1
Biginboca3457.50
      05-31-2022, 02:25 PM   #1034
Tambohamilton
Colonel
United Kingdom
2226
Rep
2,819
Posts

Drives: E91 330d
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Wiltshire, UK

iTrader: (0)

That is interesting - I had no idea that either would use pumped lubrication. Probably a dramatic oversimplification, but it makes sense to me why ATF seems to work well in the ZF boxes.
Appreciate 0
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:19 AM.




e90post
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
1Addicts.com, BIMMERPOST.com, E90Post.com, F30Post.com, M3Post.com, ZPost.com, 5Post.com, 6Post.com, 7Post.com, XBimmers.com logo and trademark are properties of BIMMERPOST