I cloned my MSV70 DME

**Offset Motorwerks** · 10-08-2018, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by hassmaschine

Right, my point was the N52 tune isn't made for the low-compression N51.

The offsets are the same anyway IIRC, so there's no reason to really do that, except maybe to make deleting the extra emissions stuff easier.

My thoughts as well. I'd love to get rid of the secondary air pump, I'm just not sure if anyone has cared enough to find the fault to disable in MSV80.1. Also not sure if any of it is worth the hassle, vs just buying a tune for MILVS and being done with it.

hassmaschine · 10-08-2018, 11:10 PM

fault codes are easy to find - the N51 doesn't have any unique ones anyway. It's best to just modify the base tune.

KesKing · 10-15-2018, 05:21 AM

Hello Can someone help me what to do with Software part of changing the Intake Manifold ? I got Standart Tools and a OBD Cable.
Would Donate for Help via Paypal. Pls.
Do i need a 330i Software with Manipulated Power class Bit to avoid CRC Error?
Here are some Pics of my current Firmware via INPA.

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hassmaschine · 10-16-2018, 11:23 AM

yes, you need an N53 330i file with the power class changed to match your car. Otherwise, it will run in limp mode. The checksum has to be corrected but that's a separate issue, and you also need to bypass the RSA signature check.

Pinscher · 10-19-2018, 03:51 PM

Is anyone interesting in helping out an 328 getting flashed to a 330. I have everything I need to complete the job, but also having trouble getting the ear of those who do remote sessions to setup up the software/flash the DME over.

I understand people have busy lives, just seeing if someone could help on my final step to getting my mods finished up.

I do have bwm tools installed, though some things seems to not be working. I will trouble shoot that this evening. Then i just need the flash done. As I've' never done it I'm shy.

Thanks in advance

JuniorB · 10-24-2018, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by dwsavenko

Thanks for the IAT clarification Hass!!

PS: Anybody have a 3 stage intake they want to "part" with? My local sources are not co-operating. Shoot me a PM!!

I have a 3stage, no large disa valve, but it in excellent condition. I can ship it to you for $225 pm me if this interests you.

hassmaschine · 10-24-2018, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinscher

Is anyone interesting in helping out an 328 getting flashed to a 330. I have everything I need to complete the job, but also having trouble getting the ear of those who do remote sessions to setup up the software/flash the DME over.

I understand people have busy lives, just seeing if someone could help on my final step to getting my mods finished up.

I do have bwm tools installed, though some things seems to not be working. I will trouble shoot that this evening. Then i just need the flash done. As I've' never done it I'm shy.

Thanks in advance

If you get the software communicating properly you can definitely do it yourself. The flash is just a double click of the .bat file (once to bypass RSA, once to flash the tune).

I can sometimes do remote sessions but my time is really limited.

Pinscher · 10-25-2018, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by hassmaschine

If you get the software communicating properly you can definitely do it yourself. The flash is just a double click of the .bat file (once to bypass RSA, once to flash the tune).

I can sometimes do remote sessions but my time is really limited.

I can understand having little time. My newest protect is a daughter. Lol
I'm home most evenings after 4pm and most every Saturday and sunday side from a few hours here and there.

Would you be alright if i passed you my number and you could text me if the time present itself for the taking?

I could be at my computer and hooked up to the car in minutes if you can take the time.

hassmaschine · 10-25-2018, 09:26 PM

Do you ever travel across the border on weekends? Im only like an hour away from you as the crow flies...

Pinscher · 10-27-2018, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by hassmaschine

Do you ever travel across the border on weekends? I'm only like an hour away from you as the crow flies...

yes, just 2 weekends ago I had my exhaust mod was done by a Phil in the Americas

{ just northeast of you I believe. Nice fella, I spent a day tinkering around with him.... I tinkered, he did useful things.

I'm happy to make a trip down and for DME Flashing. Did you need anything from Canada?

Jonas225 · 10-28-2018, 06:17 AM

Is a tune for the N53 still in development?

Pinscher · 10-29-2018, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonas225

Is a tune for the N53 still in development?

I think the bimmer labs website would have up-to-date info on that topic.

Pinscher · 11-03-2018, 06:18 PM

hassmaschine ,

I've configured my BMW Tools software successfully.

I'm pretty much ready to run the bat files for RSA delete then Tune, though on the "currently supported DMEs" list it mentions:

- N52N MSV80 with software: 0049QK0MI20S

I can't see anything that is called SoftwareID in INPA, though I have a program reference number of 0049QK0MD22S

Does this difference pose a problem?

When I use the BMW Coding tool to update the ECU, no updates are found. I've attached two screenshots for reference.

hassmaschine · 11-03-2018, 07:25 PM

No, just flash both files - that is just the software version we support, since it's the newest that is used on all MSV80 variants (E60, E90, E83, etc).

Your software is really old, it's probably never been updated before.

Pinscher · 11-03-2018, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by hassmaschine

No, just flash both files - that is just the software version we support, since it's the newest that is used on all MSV80 variants (E60, E90, E83, etc).

Your software is really old, it's probably never been updated before.

I spent about 40 minutes googling around, seems there isn't any DIY software updating instructions, other than for Idrive systems, which I don't have.

Will flashing the files increase my software version, or should I be heading to the dealer to update?

hassmaschine · 11-03-2018, 09:19 PM

Our flash will only affect the DME software version. It doesn't directly affect other modules.

However - on a few occasions, I have heard of issues when other modules are also way out of date. It wouldn't hurt to get your car brought up to date, but BMW software changes are way too complex for me to say it's absolutely needed (or not needed).

Pinscher · 11-03-2018, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hassmaschine

Our flash will only affect the DME software version. It doesn't directly affect other modules.

However - on a few occasions, I have heard of issues when other modules are also way out of date. It wouldn't hurt to get your car brought up to date, but BMW software changes are way too complex for me to say it's absolutely needed (or not needed).

Understood,

Thanks for your prompt response and as always, your time.

Pinscher · 11-04-2018, 04:30 PM

Flash complete, it was as easy as Hass suggested, once you have the software setup.

funny, I really drained my battery in the time it took me to get the BMW Tools configured. I suggest hooking up a charger if you're doing any of this for your first time.

Flashing seemed to auto use expert mode to complete. Directly after the flash, I cycled the ignition of the car and then deleted all the car's adaptations. Then I took an error report

Engine / Motor
Fault Code: 002FA3, Fault Explanation: coding missing
Fault Code: 002FA4, Fault Explanation: incorrect data
Fault Code: 002CFB, Fault Explanation: Throttle adaptation value
Fault Code: 002D09, Fault Explanation: throttle

Transmission / Getriebe GS 19
Fault Code: 00CF1C, Fault Explanation: :Embassy Status followers / CAN message of
DSC: torque requirement / Embassy (motor data, PT-CAN) from the
engine control / Embassy Group error 3 (impact when driving = no) for
(EGS EL, PT-CAN) of (dmex, PT-CAN) / Lost communication with DME /
News of the DSC: torque requirement

I drove the car for about 45 minutes so far, 40km or so, and it doesn't seem to be learning. In fact, throttle response after 30-40% pedal depression is non-existent. For a while, I had a half engine check light on, though after 30km and clearing errors that seem to have gone away.

As of right now, the errors read:
Engine / Motor
Fault Code: 002FA3, Fault Explanation: coding missing
Fault Code: 002FA4, Fault Explanation: incorrect data - Power Class issues?

Transmission / Getriebe GS 19
Fault Code: 00CF1C, Fault Explanation: :Embassy Status followers / CAN message of
DSC: torque requirement / Embassy (motor data, PT-CAN) from the
engine control / Embassy Group error 3 (impact when driving = no) for
(EGS EL, PT-CAN) of (dmex, PT-CAN) / Lost communication with DME /
News of the DSC: torque requirement

I feel like I may have missed a setting in the flashing process that didn't adjust or fix the power class.

Pinscher · 11-05-2018, 10:12 AM

Update: today my car woke up and it has soome nice power. So much so The car pulls left right due to wide tires and rutted/grooved roads.

The transmission code is still active

supposedly I need to train it with DIS software.

hassmaschine · 11-05-2018, 11:17 AM

yeah, from those codes your car probably needs updated by the dealer.

It will probably overwrite the tune but you can just flash it again.

Pinscher · 11-05-2018, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hassmaschine

yeah, from those codes your car probably needs updated by the dealer.

It will probably overwrite the tune but you can just flash it again.

Understood. Thank you

PhaseP · 11-18-2018, 07:32 PM

I had been sitting on a 3 stage IM with new DISAs (not OEM, the other brand available) for more than a year. A few months ago my starter died, as I had to remove the intake I had put the 3 stage one with the DISAs. Have been driving like that couple of months thinking one day I will do the flash from BimmerLabs. Well finally today I got to do it, and just took it for a spin and came back. And there is definite difference! I didn't have opportunity to test the upper range but low end torque difference is obvious. My car pulls at 6th gear same as it used to at 5th gear on high way. The other thing I noticed, the 325 I had was definitely suppressed in terms of performance. Now it is like the bans are removed. In neutral if I had to get the RPMs up previously I had to stab the pedal and stay on it. Like for double clutching, something was off. It is not in gear, there is nothing holding the engine to rev up, but it wasn't before. Now, it DOES! In neutral once it reaches 3K RPM it very quickly climbs up to 6K RPM.
The engine sound also seemed to have changed, which is probably due to intake paths are not different with the DISA's opening and closing.
The most obvious is something was holding back the engine before, that is removed now!

Thanks Hassmachine, Terraphantm, rjahl!

10-08-2018, 11:10 PM	#2026
hassmaschine Major General 3966 Rep 7,215 Posts Drives: "NBO" 330i Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: earth iTrader: (0)	fault codes are easy to find - the N51 doesn't have any unique ones anyway. It's best to just modify the base tune.
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hassmaschine Major General 3966 Rep 7,215 Posts Drives: "NBO" 330i Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: earth iTrader: (0)	yes, you need an N53 330i file with the power class changed to match your car. Otherwise, it will run in limp mode. The checksum has to be corrected but that's a separate issue, and you also need to bypass the RSA signature check.
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Pinscher Lieutenant 113 Rep 513 Posts Drives: 2008 335i Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Vancouver iTrader: (0) Garage List 2008 335i - Stock [0.00] 2007 BMW 328 - 330 ... [0.00]	Is anyone interesting in helping out an 328 getting flashed to a 330. I have everything I need to complete the job, but also having trouble getting the ear of those who do remote sessions to setup up the software/flash the DME over. I understand people have busy lives, just seeing if someone could help on my final step to getting my mods finished up. I do have bwm tools installed, though some things seems to not be working. I will trouble shoot that this evening. Then i just need the flash done. As I've' never done it I'm shy. Thanks in advance
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hassmaschine Major General 3966 Rep 7,215 Posts Drives: "NBO" 330i Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: earth iTrader: (0)	Do you ever travel across the border on weekends? Im only like an hour away from you as the crow flies...
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10-28-2018, 06:17 AM	#2035
Jonas225 New Member 5 Rep 22 Posts Drives: E92 335i Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Bavaria, Germany iTrader: (0)	Is a tune for the N53 still in development?
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11-03-2018, 06:18 PM	#2037
Pinscher Lieutenant 113 Rep 513 Posts Drives: 2008 335i Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Vancouver iTrader: (0) Garage List 2008 335i - Stock [0.00] 2007 BMW 328 - 330 ... [0.00]	hassmaschine , I've configured my BMW Tools software successfully. I'm pretty much ready to run the bat files for RSA delete then Tune, though on the "currently supported DMEs" list it mentions: - N52N MSV80 with software: 0049QK0MI20S I can't see anything that is called SoftwareID in INPA, though I have a program reference number of 0049QK0MD22S Does this difference pose a problem? When I use the BMW Coding tool to update the ECU, no updates are found. I've attached two screenshots for reference. Attached Images Last edited by Pinscher; 11-03-2018 at 07:11 PM..
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11-03-2018, 07:25 PM	#2038
hassmaschine Major General 3966 Rep 7,215 Posts Drives: "NBO" 330i Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: earth iTrader: (0)	No, just flash both files - that is just the software version we support, since it's the newest that is used on all MSV80 variants (E60, E90, E83, etc). Your software is really old, it's probably never been updated before.
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11-03-2018, 09:19 PM	#2040
hassmaschine Major General 3966 Rep 7,215 Posts Drives: "NBO" 330i Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: earth iTrader: (0)	Our flash will only affect the DME software version. It doesn't directly affect other modules. However - on a few occasions, I have heard of issues when other modules are also way out of date. It wouldn't hurt to get your car brought up to date, but BMW software changes are way too complex for me to say it's absolutely needed (or not needed).
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11-04-2018, 04:30 PM	#2042
Pinscher Lieutenant 113 Rep 513 Posts Drives: 2008 335i Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Vancouver iTrader: (0) Garage List 2008 335i - Stock [0.00] 2007 BMW 328 - 330 ... [0.00]	Flash complete, it was as easy as Hass suggested, once you have the software setup. funny, I really drained my battery in the time it took me to get the BMW Tools configured. I suggest hooking up a charger if you're doing any of this for your first time. Flashing seemed to auto use expert mode to complete. Directly after the flash, I cycled the ignition of the car and then deleted all the car's adaptations. Then I took an error report Engine / Motor Fault Code: 002FA3, Fault Explanation: coding missing Fault Code: 002FA4, Fault Explanation: incorrect data Fault Code: 002CFB, Fault Explanation: Throttle adaptation value Fault Code: 002D09, Fault Explanation: throttle Transmission / Getriebe GS 19 Fault Code: 00CF1C, Fault Explanation: :Embassy Status followers / CAN message of DSC: torque requirement / Embassy (motor data, PT-CAN) from the engine control / Embassy Group error 3 (impact when driving = no) for (EGS EL, PT-CAN) of (dmex, PT-CAN) / Lost communication with DME / News of the DSC: torque requirement I drove the car for about 45 minutes so far, 40km or so, and it doesn't seem to be learning. In fact, throttle response after 30-40% pedal depression is non-existent. For a while, I had a half engine check light on, though after 30km and clearing errors that seem to have gone away. As of right now, the errors read: Engine / Motor Fault Code: 002FA3, Fault Explanation: coding missing Fault Code: 002FA4, Fault Explanation: incorrect data - Power Class issues? Transmission / Getriebe GS 19 Fault Code: 00CF1C, Fault Explanation: :Embassy Status followers / CAN message of DSC: torque requirement / Embassy (motor data, PT-CAN) from the engine control / Embassy Group error 3 (impact when driving = no) for (EGS EL, PT-CAN) of (dmex, PT-CAN) / Lost communication with DME / News of the DSC: torque requirement I feel like I may have missed a setting in the flashing process that didn't adjust or fix the power class.
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11-05-2018, 10:12 AM	#2043
Pinscher Lieutenant 113 Rep 513 Posts Drives: 2008 335i Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Vancouver iTrader: (0) Garage List 2008 335i - Stock [0.00] 2007 BMW 328 - 330 ... [0.00]	Update: today my car woke up and it has soome nice power. So much so The car pulls left right due to wide tires and rutted/grooved roads. The transmission code is still active supposedly I need to train it with DIS software.
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11-05-2018, 11:17 AM	#2044
hassmaschine Major General 3966 Rep 7,215 Posts Drives: "NBO" 330i Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: earth iTrader: (0)	yeah, from those codes your car probably needs updated by the dealer. It will probably overwrite the tune but you can just flash it again.
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11-18-2018, 07:32 PM	#2046
PhaseP Colonel 1007 Rep 2,108 Posts Drives: 325XI Join Date: May 2010 Location: Earth iTrader: (0)	A big thank you! I had been sitting on a 3 stage IM with new DISAs (not OEM, the other brand available) for more than a year. A few months ago my starter died, as I had to remove the intake I had put the 3 stage one with the DISAs. Have been driving like that couple of months thinking one day I will do the flash from BimmerLabs. Well finally today I got to do it, and just took it for a spin and came back. And there is definite difference! I didn't have opportunity to test the upper range but low end torque difference is obvious. My car pulls at 6th gear same as it used to at 5th gear on high way. The other thing I noticed, the 325 I had was definitely suppressed in terms of performance. Now it is like the bans are removed. In neutral if I had to get the RPMs up previously I had to stab the pedal and stay on it. Like for double clutching, something was off. It is not in gear, there is nothing holding the engine to rev up, but it wasn't before. Now, it DOES! In neutral once it reaches 3K RPM it very quickly climbs up to 6K RPM. The engine sound also seemed to have changed, which is probably due to intake paths are not different with the DISA's opening and closing. The most obvious is something was holding back the engine before, that is removed now! Thanks Hassmachine, Terraphantm, rjahl!
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