[hassmaschine]

Originally Posted by JuniorB

I saw dynos from AA and Bpc with 250rwhp that wer put out with a 3si, headers and a tune, a 330 should be 220 or so at the wheels, with headers, tune, intake, and this mod. Has any one else seen these? That's what I was figuring, I know with the flash tunes, n52s are sitting at the 225 mark, same as a330 stock. I would have thought this mod was the over the 300 mark. No harm.

My 330i was almost 220whp bone stock.. Not sure where you're getting these numbers, but automatics and AWD will put down lower numbers, not to mention the 325i and 328i.

I don't want to get into differences in tunes again but not everything is as equal as you're thinking is is. 300bhp is an achievement - 300whp is a pipe dream.

[justpete]

Originally Posted by houbmw

a little 75 wet shot of nitrous never hurt nobody if tuned properly

Not really understanding the fascination with nitrous other than street drag racing or something, utterly useless otherwise. And street drag racing is the province of children and retards afaic. We're looking for ways of optimizing the NA engine as an NA engine so there's not a whole lot else possible other than internal modifications as bolt-ons are hp-limited. It's a tough problem especially given the costs involved. We know a ~380bhp (engine dyno number) has been built for race use and isn't even remotely streetable but its cost has got to be pushing $50K, if not more. Speed costs money. And sanity, I think.

[JuniorB]

No.no no argument there as its only what a saw. That's what I was getting at, since a 330 is around the 220 mark, and if you add headers, mad delete, and a custom tune, do you see an extra 40hp bump?I would imagine a 330 should be alot stronger that the 25, 28 cars. The dyno numbers are deceitful as we know, when your seeing 250 and you car is 220, makes you wonder. Thanks guys.

[iahawkeye]

Junior I think you're thinking of the olden days when BMW naming conventions made sense. a 328 used to be a 3 series with a 2.8 liter engine... a 325 had a 2.5L Engine....now names are erroneous since our 328s have a 3.0 liter engine and the new 328 and 330 have shitty little 2L 4 bangers

[JuniorB]

I was only referring to the dynos that I saw. AA had posted there 250 rwhp with there header, 3si, kn, and custom tune, Bps showed they done similar with maf deletes, and n54 intakes. The lift mod is only in beta and with all that's been tested, you would think this mod could be what everyone has been waiting for...more lift. I could see this going to 265 area when it's in its final. 3002 til's car is a strong 235 with just headers, if your to put a tune, maf delete, and lift mod, in that car, it would be in that range. I won't go any further and don't want to go into drama. It would be a great mod and can't wait to see how far it goes, great job CM.

[Bob@BPC]

Hmmm, what could be going on here?

[Dan Bilzerian]

Originally Posted by Bob@BPC

Hmmm, what could be going on here?

[dancing__narwhal]

Originally Posted by Bob@BPC

Hmmm, what could be going on here?

Is that a supercharged n52 getting the valvetronic mod?

[hassmaschine]

Originally Posted by dgaultiere

Is that a supercharged n52 getting the valvetronic mod?

I think you mean turbocharged.

Originally Posted by JuniorB

I was only referring to the dynos that I saw. AA had posted there 250 rwhp with there header, 3si, kn, and custom tune, Bps showed they done similar with maf deletes, and n54 intakes. The lift mod is only in beta and with all that's been tested, you would think this mod could be what everyone has been waiting for...more lift. I could see this going to 265 area when it's in its final. 3002 til's car is a strong 235 with just headers, if your to put a tune, maf delete, and lift mod, in that car, it would be in that range. I won't go any further and don't want to go into drama. It would be a great mod and can't wait to see how far it goes, great job CM.

I can't recall any AA dyno that was 250+whp (SAE/STD correction). AFAIK, the only ones I've seen have been BPC. The best AA I'd ever seen was about 240whp, and that was a dyno tune.

[Terraphantm]

Originally Posted by hassmaschine

I think you mean turbocharged.

Technically a turbocharger is a type of supercharger

Originally Posted by iahawkeye

Junior I think you're thinking of the olden days when BMW naming conventions made sense. a 328 used to be a 3 series with a 2.8 liter engine... a 325 had a 2.5L Engine....now names are erroneous since our 328s have a 3.0 liter engine and the new 328 and 330 have shitty little 2L 4 bangers

Yeah. I miss the old days. Like when a 325e had the same engine as a 528e, which was a 2.7 liter. Or the 323s that actually had 2.5L engines. Or the 5/740is that were equipped with 4.4L engines. And the 1979-1986 745i that had a 3.2L turbocharged engine. Such consistent naming.

[iahawkeye]

Easy there Captain sarcasm.

I'm saying they were better than s drive, e drive, idrive, etc. It used to be easier to know what was under the hood. The system Lutz put in place made more sense to consumers.

[3002 tii]

Originally Posted by hassmaschine

I think you mean turbocharged.



I can't recall any AA dyno that was 250+whp (SAE/STD correction). AFAIK, the only ones I've seen have been BPC. The best AA I'd ever seen was about 240whp, and that was a dyno tune.

I may reupload my AA header tune and get the car back on the dyno. Turns out my car's a little heavier than I thought so I can afford a bump in power. I'm hopeful my AA software yields more than +5whp.

[hassmaschine]

Originally Posted by iahawkeye

Easy there Captain sarcasm.

I'm saying they were better than s drive, e drive, idrive, etc. It used to be easier to know what was under the hood. The system Lutz put in place made more sense to consumers.

He has a point. There really never was a time that a "325" honestly meant it was a 2.5l engine. So whatever "golden days" you're talking about, never existed.

[iahawkeye]

Oh yeah I can't help that text is taken as absolute. But he does have a point. I'm just of the opinion that the new schema is confusing as hell.

[Twoforty]

Nothing confusing about my Euro spec 2.5 litre 325i.
LOL

[CobraMarty]

Boost and More Valve Lift!! This will be great.

Might lose a couple of pounds of boost due to more head/valve flow and pick up 20+whp.
Looking forward to the results.

[JuniorB]

Both cars were manual that I saw, agreed on the autos, Didn't Axioms car dyno around the 250 mark, no argument, just thought is was possible, and that if an n54 intake was added with this mod,,is there more with a custom tune? These little bumps are adding up...

[hassmaschine]

Man I really need an excuse to pull my valve cover. Stupid non-leaky engine.

CobraMarty, if I already have the stage 1 shims, can they be further modified for stage 2? I haven't done anything with them yet.

Originally Posted by JuniorB

Both cars were manual that I saw, agreed on the autos, Didn't Axioms car dyno around the 250 mark, no argument, just thought is was possible, and that if an n54 intake was added with this mod,,is there more with a custom tune? These little bumps are adding up...

yes he did, but he has a BPC tune, not AA.

[W37V]

Originally Posted by 3002 tii

I may reupload my AA header tune and get the car back on the dyno. Turns out my car's a little heavier than I thought so I can afford a bump in power. I'm hopeful my AA software yields more than +5whp.

If you have few $$$ to spare, get BPC tune. It yields more TQ.

[CobraMarty]

I have one last set of the 'Stage 2' supports already machined.

I guess if you want to return your stage 1 supports to me, I can send you the set of Stage 2 that I have all ready. I could resell the stage 1 supports or put them in the next batch to go to the machinist.

The Stage 2 are $50 more than the Stage 1 (additional machining) + shipping from 19067 to you. If that works?

WTB- Does anyone have any stock supports they want to sell? I'll give you $50 for a set of 6 shipped to 19067.

[hassmaschine]

I could just remove the stock supports from my "engine stand" motor, and send both sets to you? Just the cost of shipping then?

[CobraMarty]

That works.