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      04-17-2024, 03:25 PM   #7833
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Slow clean power generation growth hits Texas power sector
April 17, 2024
Drops in power generation from wind farms, hydro dams and nuclear reactors has forced the operator of the electric grid in Texas - one of the largest power systems in the United States - to boost fossil fuel use and emissions so far this year.
Rising use of air conditioners due to high temperatures have boosted power use and spurred the Electric Reliability Council of Texas (ERCOT) to ask electricity generators to delay or cancel planned outages this week.
But tight supplies of clean power have meant that ERCOT system managers have been forced to crank generation from fossil fuels to balance system needs.
That higher production has lifted ERCOT's total fossil fuel-powered generation by 10% from the same period in 2023.
In contrast, ERCOT generation from clean power sources has expanded by just 3% through April 15 from the same period in 2023, due to a 23% slump in hydro output, a 3% drop in wind power, and a 4% decline in nuclear generation.
But due to solar output stopping completely during the night, solar's contribution to the overall generation mix will likely be limited to around 8% to 10% of the total.

https://www.reuters.com/sustainabili...re-2024-04-17/

It's not even summer yet. When will the greenies understand that with present technology only nuclear can supply the power for their electric future.

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Better, cars are mostly metals, glass, and plastics, which can be recycled indefinitely into new cars or other machines that do work far better and cheaper than beasts of burden.
Bullshit. What does “recycle” even mean? Or “plastic?” Besides, I can grow new horses; can you grow new cars?
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Interesting that if the CAR market has an acceptance ceiling and most of those inclined have CAR already why would the current direction be towards cheaper models. I would think the effort would be to upgrade current users into CAR that are higher end with more features?
Horses rule.
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Just have a chat with my EV friend who become an EV owner for 2 months. His stories is getting more interesting every day. I feel sorry for him as he has to put up with all the BS with other EV drivers in Vancouver. He need an adapter for his Tesla to plug into the regular charging stations to charge up his car. In 2 months he has lost 7 adapters (someone stole it from his car while he was charging his car). Out of count how many time other EV users unplug his charging cable from his cars as nothing happen. End up his car never get charge.
One of my work friends has a car, and was just telling me the other day how she really like secretly hates it. She was all lik “0” and i was luk “o.Ooohh”. Anyways im only 8 and work in a factory. I eat horse regularly.
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Only a few people actually want cars instead of horses. Once all those people buy them, the market will be satisfied and demand for cars will be zero. The market sees no point in paying a higher price for an inferior good. Can you even eat a car when it dies?!

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Some people are thinking owning a BMW will empty your wallet like no tomorrow. Wait until you own a horse
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Do you agree comparing a ICE car with an EV is like comparing a microwave with a grill? They both heat food but I know which one taste so much better.

For me internal combustion engine everyday and twice on weekend
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      04-17-2024, 06:48 PM   #7839
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What China’s EV buyers’ remorse means for the world
Apr 12, 2024
China is the most important country in the world when it comes to the future of electric vehicles: It accounts for about 60% of all global EV sales, its market for EVs is surging, and it is home to the planet’s biggest EV manufacturer.
Alongside that remarkable growth, however, has been frustration: The survey from McKinsey China pegged battery EV buyers’ “regret rate” as surging from 3% in 2022 to 22% last year, which its report blamed largely on limited charging infrastructure.
Early adopters of EVs were often more affluent, curious, and well-researched on the topic. But as the market has ballooned, consumers quickly shifted from trailblazers to more everyday users, who may be less prepared for challenges associated with EVs, he said.
https://www.semafor.com/article/04/1...-for-the-world
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What China’s EV buyers’ remorse means for the world
Apr 12, 2024
China is the most important country in the world when it comes to the future of electric vehicles: It accounts for about 60% of all global EV sales, its market for EVs is surging, and it is home to the planet’s biggest EV manufacturer.
Alongside that remarkable growth, however, has been frustration: The survey from McKinsey China pegged battery EV buyers’ “regret rate” as surging from 3% in 2022 to 22% last year, which its report blamed largely on limited charging infrastructure.
Early adopters of EVs were often more affluent, curious, and well-researched on the topic. But as the market has ballooned, consumers quickly shifted from trailblazers to more everyday users, who may be less prepared for challenges associated with EVs, he said.
https://www.semafor.com/article/04/1...-for-the-world
I tried to read the survey linked, but its all in chinese. How did you verify this info before spewing it onto the internet?
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I tried to read the survey linked, but its all in chinese. How did you verify this info before spewing it onto the internet?
You drinking again? It's completely in English.
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You drinking again? It's completely in English.
He is referring to the link within the article which goes to a Chinese survey.
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You drinking again? It's completely in English.
I want you to find me where exactly in the survey it says chinese people regret EV purchases. Bonus points if you even find the survey.
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I want you to find me where exactly in the survey it says chinese people regret EV purchases. Bonus points if you even find the survey.
I lose a lot of sleep worrying about your ability to cross check my data.
You'll find it here:
https://www.mckinsey.com/search?q=EV%20survey

https://www.mckinsey.com/features/mc...hicle-charging
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I lose a lot of sleep worrying about your ability to cross check my data.
You'll find it here:
https://www.mckinsey.com/search?q=EV%20survey

https://www.mckinsey.com/features/mc...hicle-charging
You do realize neither of those things are the survey, right? Im beginning to think you don’t even read the shit you post, much less verify or contemplate it.

What was that computer virus that waited until your pc was asleep, then used all its computing power to send spam emails and other shit? Not sure why im reminded of that…

Besides, horses have a 0% regret rate.
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***For me*** internal combustion engine everyday and twice on weekend
The only good take you’ve had.
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Bullshit. What does “recycle” even mean? Or “plastic?” Besides, I can grow new horses; can you grow new cars?
Yes. Far more cars are gown and at a far faster rate and can do far more units of work than horses. All you get when you eat a horse is shit for a few days.

I stick with dictionary book definitions of words. You can look them up if need be.
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Yup, happens all the time in Amish country

Upstate New York Woman Killed in Tragic Amish Buggy Crash



A pick-up truck, driven by 31 year-old John Leathly of Chittenango, ran into the back of an Amish buggy on County Route 41 in the town of Richland, Oswego County on Sunday, June 6.

This isn't the first fatal Amish buggy crash in Upstate New York. One man was killed and another was injured in a fatal crash in Gouverneur, New York.
As the talk is about horses currently, is it known if the horse also perished in this collision..
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Some people are thinking owning a BMW will empty your wallet like no tomorrow. Wait until you own a horse
I don't own a horse but my Sister and her Husband ride dressage and have 4 currently. Between feed, tack, barn, trailer, tow vehicle, vet bills etc... it is like owning 4 racecars.
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IMO, EVs are a great idea experiencing a lot of growing pains. As the technology improves and infrastructure adapts, they will be the future or personal automobiles.

For example, if Toyota can deliver on their battery timeline, and it does not require some special charger infrastructure, it could be a game changer. 750 mile range and 10 minute charge to go from a 10%-80% charge will be a lot closer to the ICE experience. I have NOT read how solid state batteries respond to extreme heat or cold so that could have an impact.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a4...battery-plans/

With all that said, there is a lot of ancillary work that needs to be done and all of that requires time and money.
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I don't own a horse but my Sister and her Husband ride dressage and have 4 currently. Between feed, tack, barn, trailer, tow vehicle, vet bills etc... it is like owning 4 racecars.
I live in horse country and no one out here has their horses on food stamps. Horses may be the king of expensive hobbies
Also Horse women are not inexpensive either.
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I want you to find me where exactly in the survey it says chinese people regret EV purchases. Bonus points if you even find the survey.
Page 32, Figure 27, which indicate 54% of owners regret their purchase...

HOWEVER, there is a caveat there, the figure is also skewed.
The 10% of owners who regret their EV purchase are from 'Tier 1 and Tier 2 cities'. I am assuming that's cities like Beijing, Shanghai, and Chongqing? versus the 54% from Tier 3 & 4. So no suprise there when those are massive metropolis with a well established charging network.

The 54% regret are those EV owners from 'Tier 3 and Tier 4 cities', so smaller towns and villages, the highlighted dashed rectangle below these figures indicate the biggest reason the article identified is that the charging satisfaction between these two groups.
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IMO, EVs are a great idea experiencing a lot of growing pains. 750 mile range and 10 minute charge to go from a 10%-80% charge will be a lot closer to the ICE experience.
I'm in agreement with most of your post but.
"750 mile range and 10 minute charge" The physics behind this don't work. I for one would not want to be around any battery that was charged at a rate that would fulfill that EV prophecy. (BOOM) That said if a safe battery was used and the battery weight was reduced I think a lot of folks would have no issue with with a EV as a second vehicle and maybe their primary vehicle with home charging. I also think a properly designed hybrid will find a large market. Not the pseudo EV with a gas engine being peddled by most companies. I would most likely buy one of those.
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