$5,000 mark-ups on 335i coupes?!? (Bay Area)

vladinecko · 11-13-2007, 04:14 PM

Just went in for my 15,000 mile check-up to Weatherford BMW in Berkeley.

Since I'm looking to "upgrade" to a new car in the coming months, I walked around the dealership and noticed they put $5,000 mark-ups on all of their 335i coupes (or as they like to call it, "market adjustment").

now, i know the convertibles are rather hard to come by (though they have a few of them sitting on the lot) so *some* mark-up or maybe just no discounts would be normal there. but coupes??? that's just ridiculous.

i don't think the coupes are in such a high demand or short supply right now. or are they??

FirstClass · 11-13-2007, 04:23 PM

Coupes have been in stock for months, but Cali is crazy like that. Let's put it this way, if they have multiple cars on the lot then the markup isn't justified.

BMW F22 · 11-13-2007, 04:32 PM

Yeah I find that pretty interesting as well. Some dealerships have crazy markups (or market adjustments- what ever you wanna call it). Can you believe they have a $3,000 mark up on a Honda Accord?? Not just that but pretty much all the 08 models they have on the lot.

If you want a good deal on a BMW let me know and I can refer you to my CA and he'll hook you up.

ChaneRZ · 11-13-2007, 04:34 PM

i got my car at weatherford bmw. how much did they quote you for the 335i?

lkn · 11-13-2007, 04:37 PM

still?

vladinecko · 11-13-2007, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaneRZ

i got my car at weatherford bmw. how much did they quote you for the 335i?

well, i didn't even get a quote. they wanted me to order the car first. that's when i ran out of there. i like to know everything up front. i hate doing it this way (order the car, way for it to come and then negotiate the price).

i told the guy it's ridiculous they marked them up because i know there isn't a shortage of them and he said if i'm interested he can erase the mark-up. this simply means they're trying to make the cars more attractive than they really are.

ChaneRZ · 11-13-2007, 04:43 PM

go to my CA nick marouche over there. he's a great guy.

vladinecko · 11-13-2007, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenny@JleviSW

they have a $3,000 mark up on a Honda Accord?? Not just that but pretty much all the 08 models they have on the lot.

that's just crazy! and it confirms my previous theory, they're just trying to create an artificial proxy for demand to inflate the prices. we all know cars, across the board, are not selling well right now.

i so want to tell them to shove their false practices up theirs...

Desi · 11-13-2007, 04:46 PM

Could it be BMWNAs response to the tanking US Dollar? Us Canadians are having a shit-fit up here because of the pricing discrepancy, however with our cars being built in Europe it isn't that conversion which matters, it's the Euro->CAD or Euro->USD. This is, of course, assuming that BMWNA actually does buy from BMWAG in Euros, as one exec was quoted as saying here in Canada. Perhaps BMWNA is finally adjusting to reflect the fact that one American Dollar just dosen't equal a whole lot of Euros anymore?

Chowbow · 11-13-2007, 04:46 PM

I nearly bought an Evo about 3 months ago at Concord Mitsubishi. They had a $3k markup on all 12 of them that were sitting on the lot. Now, these were all 2006 models remember.

They asked me to throw out a number and after 15 minutes I had them down to invoice -$500. I didn't buy it because in the end the sales guy was an a-hole and was high pressuring into buying the car without a test drive.

Markups mean nothing, never pay them. Crown Chevrolet always has Chevy Aveos with $3k markups on them. Right... because I'm going to pay $3k more than MSRP for a piece of junk that is hardly worth it's MSRP.

vladinecko · 11-13-2007, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaneRZ

go to my CA nick marouche over there. he's a great guy.

is he the skinny "french" guy with glasses?

The Cleaner · 11-13-2007, 04:47 PM

I think coupes still get sticker in the bay area. When I ordered mine Weatherford was giving 1k off on 335 Coupes. Since I was ordering the car I got the same deal local to me so I took it. Since then I know several people that have looked seriously and sticker is the best they could do. 5k over is silly, the markup games that some dealers play don't every get my business. If I see that extra dealer sticker on the window I just leave.

ChaneRZ · 11-13-2007, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by vladinecko

is he the skinny "french" guy with glasses?

um he doesn't look french. he always wear suits and he wears glasses. he's kinda "indian". his desk is by the black 7 series.

vladinecko · 11-13-2007, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Kenny@JleviSW

If you want a good deal on a BMW let me know and I can refer you to my CA and he'll hook you up.

i may take you up on it. i'm tired of playing the wheel of fortune every time i enter a dealership hoping the "right" guy will talk to me first.

The Cleaner · 11-13-2007, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Desi

Could it be BMWNAs response to the tanking US Dollar? Us Canadians are having a shit-fit up here because of the pricing discrepancy, however with our cars being built in Europe it isn't that conversion which matters, it's the Euro->CAD or Euro->USD. This is, of course, assuming that BMWNA actually does buy from BMWAG in Euros, as one exec was quoted as saying here in Canada. Perhaps BMWNA is finally adjusting to reflect the fact that one American Dollar just dosen't equal a whole lot of Euros anymore?

That is very interesting, the euro has gone from 90 to about 144 in about 4 years. Thats a 37% increase, BMW has raised the prices a small percentage every year but nothing close to 37 percent.

vladinecko · 11-13-2007, 05:26 PM

i think it's more than just currency difference that goes into the formula of calculating prices in different countries.

realistically, the US is nowhere near to being prepared for European car prices. i don't see anyone here paying $50,000+ for an entry level 3-series.

but with the speed our economy is declining, we may be paying those prices before we know it...

OC Guy · 11-13-2007, 05:28 PM

Crevier and Irvine BMw here are both marked up $3,000 and also have cars with Aero kits already installed for an additional $4,000 (front and rear).

maibmwm3 · 11-13-2007, 06:02 PM

You might want to ask Vi Quach over at BMW of Fremont to see if he can give you a good price on a E92 335i. He gave me a pretty good deal on my E90 335i.

vladinecko · 11-13-2007, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by maibmwm3

You might want to ask Vi Quach over at BMW of Fremont to see if he can give you a good price on a E92 335i. He gave me a pretty good deal on my E90 335i.

sedans are usually produced in larger quantities than coupes. that's why it's more likely to score a good deal on them.

thanks for the tip though! i definitely want to stop by as many dealerships as possible before making my decision.

gb2us88 · 11-13-2007, 06:32 PM

is paying retail for a e93 a bad deal

BMW F22 · 11-13-2007, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by gb2us88

is paying retail for a e93 a bad deal

Depending on the market but a good deal is what you're willing to pay for it.

vladinecko · 11-13-2007, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by gb2us88

is paying retail for a e93 a bad deal

if you can swing it, i think it's a great deal! around here, it's hard to get an E93 335i at MSRP.

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BMW F22 Major General 3566 Rep 9,788 Posts Drives: ///M235i Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Bay Area iTrader: (8)	Yeah I find that pretty interesting as well. Some dealerships have crazy markups (or market adjustments- what ever you wanna call it). Can you believe they have a $3,000 mark up on a Honda Accord?? Not just that but pretty much all the 08 models they have on the lot. If you want a good deal on a BMW let me know and I can refer you to my CA and he'll hook you up.
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ChaneRZ If You Aint First, You're last !!! 81 Rep 2,509 Posts Drives: 08 BMW 335i, 01 Honda Prelude Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: California iTrader: (0)	go to my CA nick marouche over there. he's a great guy. __________________ 08 BMW BSM 335i 6MT (Sports, Premium, NAV, PDC, AS, IPOD, HD Radio, Rear Sunshade, OEM Alarm) Angel iBright V3, Luminics Fog Bulb, Turbo Tuner, K&N Drop in Filter, Dinan Exhaust, Dinan Pedals, Vorsteiner CF Front Lip, and CF Rear Diffuser. Ordered:08/25/07 Started: 09/09/07 Finished: 09/14/07 On Ship: 09/15/07 Arrived: 10/08/07 Delivered: 10/10/07
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