From little acorns ...

chris_1001 · 08-08-2008, 04:34 PM

Damn!!!! Very impressive!

Dave_3 · 08-10-2008, 08:36 PM

No problem for a wallpaper when I am finished.

Didn't have so much time this weekend ...

But worked on a scene setup. Lots of scene lighting/exposure setting up. Lots of fine tweaking of geometry.

Also started to create the windows. Started the lights - still got the main headlamp beam corona to add, and indicator. The wheels have some vented discs and muckle big Brembos.

D.

Dave_3 · 08-11-2008, 08:38 PM

Did a test render at high res size to check things. I can see quite a few wee things that need addressed but thought I would post this. Don't normally post at this resolution ...

D.

booforty · 08-12-2008, 04:05 AM

Looks awesome Dave!

mjh93sa · 08-12-2008, 04:09 AM

Damn that looks realistic!

I took a couple of shots of "Pooh's" wheels square on for you at the weekend so will have to get them uploaded tonight. I've also got a few detail shots of things like the side vents that I'll dig out.

DervFan · 08-12-2008, 10:04 AM

Realistic or what !, can't wait for the rest of the hi-res version.

mjh93sa · 08-12-2008, 01:41 PM

Some more shots to help or hinder...

Dave_3 · 08-12-2008, 02:02 PM

Thanks a lot !

You can never have too many reference pics. I have yet to build the lower grill. Your pic of that is the best one I have seen yet. Also helpful to see the brakes and hubs.

I've spotted a big technical error in my scene setup - nothing to do with geometry, just a little shader/masking/enviroment setup glitch ... will be even more realistic now in a subtle improvement rather than a whizz-bang way. Might not be noticed by any else but me. But now sorted

D.

SoYank · 08-12-2008, 02:56 PM

Looks fantastic, Dave, but who dinged your bumper?

booforty · 08-12-2008, 03:02 PM

Matt - do I get royalties each time a pic is posted?

Dave - any pics you need just shout. I have loads with wheels off during bulb change or Matt can take more pics at UK6

Absolutely love this pic Matt...

Dave_3 · 08-12-2008, 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoYank

Looks fantastic, Dave, but who dinged your bumper?

Noticed that, but it is actually a little anomaly in the reflection image. It's only a matter of time before it got one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by booforty

Dave - any pics you need just shout. I have loads with wheels off during bulb change or Matt can take more pics at UK6

Thanks, but should be OK for now.

Do any of you guys have wide-angle lenses ?

D.

booforty · 08-12-2008, 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave_3

Noticed that, but it is actually a little anomaly in the reflection image. It's only a matter of time before it got one.

Thanks, but should be OK for now.

Do any of you guys have wide-angle lenses ?

D.

I'm sure Matt has...

E92Fan · 08-12-2008, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave_3

Do any of you guys have wide-angle lenses ?

D.

Yes.. what do u need?

mjh93sa · 08-12-2008, 06:54 PM

Not super wide... but tell us what you need and we'll all have a go

Dave_3 · 08-12-2008, 08:01 PM

Mmm ... I asked as if you guys have better lenses than me, you could help me capture a location to place the model in. Warning : geeky stuff lies ahead ...

I presently build up some of my images using a standard back plate - and a chrome ball (or HDRI 360 environment). But the chrome ball I use is not perfectly smooth so the scratches that catch the light are mimicked in the car paint - see pic below. So ... a better approach would be to take a super wide angle photo from the place of the car in the original back plate photo looking back out to where the camera was.

To get the best results I take a multiple range of F-stops and create a real HDRI for the backplate and environment. I have a 400D but can't find a way to program a macro to do this (normal bracketing only covers 3 exposures). Is this possible with external control ? It is a bit fiddly doing it manually while it is on a tripod.

Just thought if anybody has a near 180 degree fisheye I could give this idea a test. This doesn't have to be a perfect outdoor shot. Interior / underground / night shots also work well and have more consistent light conditions when capturing but still offer interesting dynamic ranges.

For an example : these guys use an expensive spheron HDRI camera ( ~15k $ http://www.spheron.com/en/intruvisio...rocam-hdr.html ) to create a set of backplates and HDRIs ( http://www.hdri-locations.com/index.php ). But you can see the end results you can achieve.

A good environment, as in real photography, can really lift the model.

D.

E92Fan · 08-12-2008, 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave_3

Mmm ... I asked as if you guys have better lenses than me, you could help me capture a location to place the model in. Warning : geeky stuff lies ahead ...

I presently build up some of my images using a standard back plate - and a chrome ball (or HDRI 360 environment). But the chrome ball I use is not perfectly smooth so the scratches that catch the light are mimicked in the car paint - see pic below. So ... a better approach would be to take a super wide angle photo from the place of the car in the original back plate photo looking back out to where the camera was.

To get the best results I take a multiple range of F-stops and create a real HDRI for the backplate and environment. I have a 400D but can't find a way to program a macro to do this (normal bracketing only covers 3 exposures). Is this possible with external control ? It is a bit fiddly doing it manually while it is on a tripod.

Just thought if anybody has a near 180 degree fisheye I could give this idea a test. This doesn't have to be a perfect outdoor shot. Interior / underground / night shots also work well and have more consistent light conditions when capturing but still offer interesting dynamic ranges.

A good environment, as in real photography, can really lift the model.

D.

I'll do you an HDR composition of Canary Wharf at night - will that be ok ??

booforty · 08-13-2008, 02:35 AM

Tony, please can we have a night shoot down at Canary Wharf sometime? I would love to get some shots of my car with the skyscrapers behind. Do you know any good locations?

Dave_3 · 08-13-2008, 03:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by E92Fan

I'll do you an HDR composition of Canary Wharf at night - will that be ok ??

Quote:

Originally Posted by booforty

Tony, please can we have a night shoot down at Canary Wharf sometime? I would love to get some shots of my car with the skyscrapers behind. Do you know any good locations?

A back plate at night as a real HDRI/EXR (not the pseudo LDR Photoshop outputs that the magazines explain) would be fantastic - or as a set of exposures that I can meld myself. To use it to the best effect I would really need a chrome ball/180 degree view for the realistic reflections. That is the real killer part - get that and it will look superb.

Taking photos of the real thing at the same time would give me some great references for the light and a feel for the surroundings.

D.

LateralG · 08-13-2008, 03:51 AM

i couldn't even model a dinosaur that doesn't even look like one out of a 3D program ...
crazy skills, keep it up!

E92Fan · 08-13-2008, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by booforty

Tony, please can we have a night shoot down at Canary Wharf sometime? I would love to get some shots of my car with the skyscrapers behind. Do you know any good locations?

Sure mate - lots of good locations. Can even use the millenium dome as a background if we time it right.

After our 'Ring trip one weekend?

E92Fan · 08-13-2008, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave_3

A back plate at night as a real HDRI/EXR (not the pseudo LDR Photoshop outputs that the magazines explain) would be fantastic - or as a set of exposures that I can meld myself. To use it to the best effect I would really need a chrome ball/180 degree view for the realistic reflections. That is the real killer part - get that and it will look superb.

Taking photos of the real thing at the same time would give me some great references for the light and a feel for the surroundings.

D.

Explain the chrome ball / 180 degree view bit... I can take multiple exposures at let's say a 9 frame bracket around ideal, and 360 degrees round horizontally, then stitch the horizontal frames together at each exposure level... that would then give a 360 degree panoramic frame at 9 different exposures... is that what you mean ??

booforty · 08-13-2008, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by E92Fan

Sure mate - lots of good locations. Can even use the millenium dome as a background if we time it right.

After our 'Ring trip one weekend?

Sounds perfect!

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Dave_3 Brigadier General 652 Rep 3,445 Posts Drives: G22 M440D Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: CH / SCO iTrader: (0) Garage List 1973 Escort RS2000 MK1 [10.00]	Thanks a lot ! You can never have too many reference pics. I have yet to build the lower grill. Your pic of that is the best one I have seen yet. Also helpful to see the brakes and hubs. I've spotted a big technical error in my scene setup - nothing to do with geometry, just a little shader/masking/enviroment setup glitch ... will be even more realistic now in a subtle improvement rather than a whizz-bang way. Might not be noticed by any else but me. But now sorted D. __________________ Escort Mk1 RS2000 (2.1 2x44IDFS, BVH, Kent FR32, 5spd, 180 BHP) : M440D ¦ Previously : F32 435D : F32 430D M Sport sDrive, 335D E92 2006
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Dave_3 Brigadier General 652 Rep 3,445 Posts Drives: G22 M440D Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: CH / SCO iTrader: (0) Garage List 1973 Escort RS2000 MK1 [10.00]	Mmm ... I asked as if you guys have better lenses than me, you could help me capture a location to place the model in. Warning : geeky stuff lies ahead ... I presently build up some of my images using a standard back plate - and a chrome ball (or HDRI 360 environment). But the chrome ball I use is not perfectly smooth so the scratches that catch the light are mimicked in the car paint - see pic below. So ... a better approach would be to take a super wide angle photo from the place of the car in the original back plate photo looking back out to where the camera was. To get the best results I take a multiple range of F-stops and create a real HDRI for the backplate and environment. I have a 400D but can't find a way to program a macro to do this (normal bracketing only covers 3 exposures). Is this possible with external control ? It is a bit fiddly doing it manually while it is on a tripod. Just thought if anybody has a near 180 degree fisheye I could give this idea a test. This doesn't have to be a perfect outdoor shot. Interior / underground / night shots also work well and have more consistent light conditions when capturing but still offer interesting dynamic ranges. For an example : these guys use an expensive spheron HDRI camera ( ~15k $ http://www.spheron.com/en/intruvisio...rocam-hdr.html ) to create a set of backplates and HDRIs ( http://www.hdri-locations.com/index.php ). But you can see the end results you can achieve. A good environment, as in real photography, can really lift the model. D. Attached Images __________________ Escort Mk1 RS2000 (2.1 2x44IDFS, BVH, Kent FR32, 5spd, 180 BHP) : M440D ¦ Previously : F32 435D : F32 430D M Sport sDrive, 335D E92 2006
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