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      08-13-2018, 02:24 PM   #1
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Question Which JBE module do I need?

Hi friendly folk,

Wasn't sure it this was the place to ask but you've always been a helpful bunch.


I need my JBE module replacing and re-coding. I'm getting a used one because I've seen the dealership prices


Can't work out what numbers I need to reference when buying a new one? I believe my part number is: 61359364819
But does it matter what 'reference number' it is? For example mine says 'H3' in big.


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...I need my JBE module replacing and re-coding. I'm getting a used one because I've seen the dealership prices. Can't work out what numbers I need to reference when buying a new one? I believe my part number is: 61359364819 But does it matter what 'reference number' it is? For example mine says 'H3' in big.
You may be way ahead of me here, as I have never had to replace any ECM (Electronic Control Module) in my 328xi, but several questions:
1) WHO determined that you need a new JBE?
2) HOW was that diagnosis made, and with WHAT BMW-specific software, such as INPA?
3) What function or equipment is NOT working as it should?

The reasons I ask:
a) It is easy to blame a "black box" for some issue, rather than conducting proper diagnostic tests to determine the actual cause of the failure;
b) You need as much diagnostic firepower as possible to properly diagnose a complex electrical issue -- software such as INPA or ISTA;
c) IF in fact the JBE did fail in some way, you need to determine WHY it failed, such as water damage, overvoltage, electrical short in an output circuit, etc. so that situation does NOT recur and damage the replacement JBE;

Most importantly, if whoever made the diagnosis of a bad JBE didn't even know how to get "Identification" information which is SAVED in the module itself (NOT stamped on the outer case), and didn't know what Part#, Variant, etc. you needed, sources for a suitable replacement in your part of the world, and how to program it, then you need to find a local BMW specialist who HAS such knowledge. If I, or anyone else on this forum offered advice/ opinion/ BS, HOW would you know if it was reliable or not, and WHO is going to make sure it has the correct software for your model (that info is SAVED in your current JBE).

So your question, or at least lack of specific information in your post, suggests to me that you have NOT had diagnosis of the issue by a knowledgeable BMW tech with proper diagnostic software and software reprogramming experience/knowledge.

IF that is the case, I would urge you to get such diagnosis BEFORE trying to source a replacement part. That sourcing, including WHAT specific Identification of the replacement part is necessary, should come from the tech that agrees to do any necessary programming or software update, so he can't blame it on the wrong part someone else procured.

The info above is my best guess based upon "playing with INPA" for a number of months, and is FAR from Expert Opinion. I will attach (in the next post) several sample screens from INPA that show what Information or Identification is saved in various modules, particularly the JBE (JBBF87) module of my 2007 328xi E91. This will be in next post so as NOT to affect screen width making text reading difficult.

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INPA Screens re JBE ID

INPA ScreenPrint Attachments re JBE as referenced in prior post:

1) Functional Jobs | F2, Identification of ALL Modules in my vehicle (example)
2) JBBF87 (JBE) | F2, Identification of Hardware & Software installed (example)

First Line: BMW Teilenummer = BMW Part Number

If you (as I ;-) don't speak German, use Google Translate for German to English:
https://translate.google.com/

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WOW George, that was a hell of a reply.. thank you!

Right lets get under-way.

So long story short, the washer motor got spun backwards with high pressure (rather the very low pressure we were hoping for). Straight away the washer pump stays stuck on whenever the battery is plugged into the car.
Taking out 2 fuses solved the issue but also knocked out the door locks and windows. So of course I've got into the wheel-well and unplugged the pump for now. Worth noting my friends has the same model pump so we tried his on my car and it did the same thing, so pump is not the issue.

This brings my to diagnosis. - I went to the stealership first and spoke to a tech, explained everything and he was the one who gave me the opinion that it would be the JBE module that would need replacing because the pump would've acted like a generator and probably caused a short there. This at £600 all in to fix some silly little washer He wanted to check to see if there were any codes first as-well just in-case, which I said I'd do and come back to him.

I phoned up a few days later and asked if I bought a used module, would they be able to re-code it. Answer - no, but they knew some ex BMW techs up the road from me who specialise in coding BMW's. So, phoned them and they said that also think it's the JBE module and weirdly enough have done that job once before for the same reason! They did however say they could re-code a used module to fix the issue, saving me over quarter the price all in!

You can see below there are no codes attached to the JBE module on INPA so as it stands, I'm lead to believe this is what needs replacing and my hunt for a part is underway.

Would love your opinion!

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It's a JBBF 3. It's been in use for a while on 1 series, 3 series, X1's, and Z4's. Plug your P/N into realoem.com and you'll see the different applications and the various P/N's that have been superseded by yours. You should be able to find a used quite easily.
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Hi LMB335IS,

Plugging my part number into realoem (61359247474) returns a 'cannot be found' error!

Unless I'm doing it wrong? Can't see how but

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Hi LMB335IS,

Plugging my part number into realoem (61359247474) returns a 'cannot be found' error!

Unless I'm doing it wrong? Can't see how but

Thanks
Then what's this? 61359364819, the part # posted in your first post

https://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/par...&q=61359364819

I think you meant 61359247424, not 7474.

61359247424 was superseded but almost any part # in the list will work in your car. Just because a part # changes doesn't mean the part changed itself. Could be a different supplier, BMW changes the numbering, etc., still the same part.
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Then what's this? 61359364819, the part # posted in your first post

https://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/par...&q=61359364819

I think you meant 61359247424, not 7474.

61359247424 was superseded but almost any part # in the list will work in your car. Just because a part # changes doesn't mean the part changed itself. Could be a different supplier, BMW changes the numbering, etc., still the same part.
Ah yes, the 61359364819 number was what RealOem thought the number should be from searching my car on there. I later found out it was actually 61359247474 as it says on the casing you can see in the picture.

I only say 7474 as that's the number on the casing in the picture I first posted, is that correct?

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That P/N does exist but seems to be scarce.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/BMW-E93-Bod...YAAOSwVt1aqZRR

There's no need to confine yourself to that P/N only. It looks like any JBBF 3 module from a convertible or wagon 1 series or 3 series will work. It will just need to be coded to the car and you can have it updated to have your VIN
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That P/N does exist but seems to be scarce.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/BMW-E93-Bod...YAAOSwVt1aqZRR

There's no need to confine yourself to that P/N only. It looks like any JBBF 3 module from a convertible or wagon 1 series or 3 series will work. It will just need to be coded to the car and you can have it updated to have your VIN
Yes, weird that! I found that one also but unfortunately I'm not in the US.

Searching JBBF 3 doesn't come up with much online so can you give me an idea of the part numbers I can search to find a compatible one?

I'm worried with it being a newer convertible that it needs to be specific because it has extra features etc but you're saying that's not the case?

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I'd try searching with the latest P/Ns in that realoem link I posted staying in the 2011-2013 range. Those modules all have a date on them so look for something around the date on yours or newer, you want it to be from a convertible, and a JBBFE III. Maybe call around some local salvage yards and find out if they if they have any later model E93s.
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I found this one in Finland and it's on the way here.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BMW-3-E90....m43663.l10137


Thank you so so much for your help! I'll update the thread when coding goes ahead to see if it's successful.
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Hi,
As described in my other post I have taken ALL the parts of a wrecked E92 M3, and put it into an E90 shell. (Used to be a 320i), so now I have a functioning replica M3 except for rear windows not going up/down. I transferred the wiring harness and all modules from the E92, but I patched across all wiring for the rear doors from the E90.

VO for the car still says E92, but I have used BimmerGeeks ProTool to code the following:
In JBBF: FENSTERHEBER_ELECTRISCH (from Nicht_aktiv) to Aktiv,
In CAS: FH_HINTEN (from Nicht_aktiv) to Aktiv,
In FRM: VIER_TUERER (from Nicht_aktiv) to Aktiv,

After I did this, the windows still don't move, but I am now getting an error code A6D9 Power-window relay (opening) passengers side, rear.

In one of the other posts, I have seen guys retrofitting rear el.windows to E87, and described that coding wasn't sufficient, and that they had to re-program the JBBF before the rear windows would work. So my next plan is either to get a s/hand JBBF from an E90 and just change the VIN, or re-program my existing one to a different ZB# that suits E90.
Currently I have: JBBF70, Part 9264578, Software ZB# 9264568. (year 2012 E92).

My current plan was to leave the VO as is, and not re-program the whole car, as I still have the VIN from my wreck in all the modules and key. (Only the body shell stamping and my registration paper have the real VIN from the older E90).

Any recommendations in how to most easily proceed with this would be appreciated.
If any of you could tell me which ZB# the LCI E90 is using for the JBBF, that could be a start.

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For anyone interested in an update, I found a guy who was breaking a car and gave me the module directly from it so I knew it was from a 2010+ E93.

Plugged in and didn't even need coding! All working now.

P.S be careful to only get an E93 module, E92 ones don't recognise the windows and will come up with a window error saying that something is trapped and cannot be coded out!
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Hi,
Since I don't have things like convertible top in my E90, I would think I should try with the coding for E90. I ordered a JBBF today from another LCI E90, so I will try that when it arrives in a few days.

Any other suggestions appreciated :-)
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Hi,
Now I have received the replacement JBBF, and physically opened both my old and replacement JBBF to inspect. The JBBF 'L1'from my E92 had only 3 relays. The JBBF 'H1' replacement from an E90 LCI has 5 relays, so that is a physical step forward towards having rear windows that moves.

BUT, my rear windows are still dead, so there must be something more.

The E90 LCI JBBF module came with software ZB#9264571, dated 12.03.2014, so somebody must have given it an update. After install I have changed its VIN with ProTool. The error code I used to have (power window relay rear, A6D9) has gone away, and I am getting no other errors related to JBBF or the windows in any other module.

I have looked at live data for the FRM. When I move knobs at the main window switch I get live signal at the FRM for the front windows. (expected as they are operational). BUT, I am not getting live signal at the FRM when moving the knobs for rear windows at the main window switch.

Communication between the main window switch and FRM is a LIN bus. I thought it would send through the rear window messages also, but it seems it doesn't. Any ideas?

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Now I have received the replacement JBBF, and physically opened both my old and replacement JBBF to inspect. The JBBF 'L1'from my E92 had only 3 relays. The JBBF 'H1' replacement from an E90 LCI has 5 relays, so that is a physical step forward towards having rear windows that moves.

BUT, my rear windows are still dead, so there must be something more.

The E90 LCI JBBF module came with software ZB#9264571, dated 12.03.2014, so somebody must have given it an update. After install I have changed its VIN with ProTool. The error code I used to have (power window relay rear, A6D9) has gone away, and I am getting no other errors related to JBBF or the windows in any other module.

I have looked at live data for the FRM. When I move knobs at the main window switch I get live signal at the FRM for the front windows. (expected as they are operational). BUT, I am not getting live signal at the FRM when moving the knobs for rear windows at the main window switch.

Communication between the main window switch and FRM is a LIN bus. I thought it would send through the rear window messages also, but it seems it doesn't. Any ideas?

Cheers,
Did you ever get this sorted? Thanks!
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