[jonzilla23]

Option 1 for sure. It'll be nice to have something easy to install.

[dhan]

option 2. better hard the first time to enjoy the rest of the time with some super bright leds than to have it easy the first time and the rest of the time be unsatisfied (theoretically). gotta see the comparo.

[Saturn]

How difficult is it to just remove the entire headlight housing from the car? Would the install not be a bit simpler after that?

[Kev]

No, because you are still working in the confined area of the opening to the interior of the headlight. People with big hands would have trouble accessing the interior.

[mds82]

Originally Posted by Kev

No, because you are still working in the confined area of the opening to the interior of the headlight. People with big hands would have trouble accessing the interior.

+1. the install would still take place Inside the headlight, so even if the headlight was out of the car it would be just as hard.

I hope to have pictures soon. i am using a different LED for Testing now before the real led becomes available.

[MyE92]

Originally Posted by mds82

+1. the install would still take place Inside the headlight, so even if the headlight was out of the car it would be just as hard.

I hope to have pictures soon. i am using a different LED for Testing now before the real led becomes available.

Yeah Marc! Back at it again!!!!

[urnone]

Option one... put me down on the list..... i hate how my gp thunders look... I want i want i want If the yare as bright as lux for ...or brighter thats good enough for me!!

[danniexi]

Originally Posted by Sam Da Man

since u are attempting to make these super bright for the day time, will the rings look distorted at night?

Originally Posted by mds82

Not a chance!!!

Really? the problem I've noticed with those with bright angel eyes is that the inner ring is TOO bright and the outer ring is perfect. It's not bad during the day time, but at night it just seems as if the cornering lights are on, not the angel eyes themselves (again, only referring to the inner rings). Eugh, i wish BMW didnt redesign the angel eyes. Yeah, they're easy to install/uninstall, but the end product doesn't look as good as angel eyes of the past. All we want is equal brightness... is that so much to ask?

[Soni]

design 1

[mds82]

Originally Posted by Soni

design 1

I'll be doing testing soon. I honestly think that design 1 will look just as good as design 2... time will tell

[Kev]

Originally Posted by mds82

I'll be doing testing soon. I honestly think that design 1 will look just as good as design 2... time will tell

I still think that you need to prototype both versions and test them out side by side

[MyE92]

Marc, I'm willing to drive up, if you need a test dummy...

[xpillzboyx]

my opinion... people are comin to u for the brightest on the market... with that said. there are already things out similar to the easy install, low brightness design. u need to do w.e it takes to get the most lumin because thats what people are constantly complaining about on their e92... im sure longtran or someone will become a pro at installing the difficult lights and could install it for the people that cant do it on their own. just my 2 cents

[Former_Boosted_IS]

The only problem I see is that people don't want to ruin their housing. Back in the day, I did a Umnitza DDE that required baking my lights to open the housing. It never left things looking as nice as stock. I think you are in a dilemna because brightness and ease of installation are equally important. If there is no risk of damaging anything, then I think the brighter is the no brainer.

On a side note, saying these are 4 times brighter than the PIAA is saying they are 4 times brighter than nothing. How much brighter are they than the stock of GPs?

[Kev]

Originally Posted by Former_Boosted_IS

The only problem I see is that people don't want to ruin their housing. Back in the day, I did a Umnitza DDE that required baking my lights to open the housing. It never left things looking as nice as stock. I think you are in a dilemna because brightness and ease of installation are equally important. If there is no risk of damaging anything, then I think the brighter is the no brainer.

On a side note, saying these are 4 times brighter than the PIAA is saying they are 4 times brighter than nothing. How much brighter are they than the stock of GPs?

Even if it is the more complicated design, it would not require you to BAKE ANY THING. You just need someone with small hands to gain access into the headlight compartment. There is no ruining of your headlight housing involved........

[Former_Boosted_IS]

Originally Posted by Kev

Even if it is the more complicated design, it would not require you to BAKE ANY THING. You just need someone with small hands to gain access into the headlight compartment. There is no ruining of your headlight housing involved........

No need for bold my friend. I am not implying that you would need to bake. I am just making the point that a heavily involved install on your fragile headlight housing is something I would never want to do again. I would leave my GP's in there before attempting something that might damage my housing. That is all.

[big pimp]

Originally Posted by Former_Boosted_IS

On a side note, saying these are 4 times brighter than the PIAA is saying they are 4 times brighter than nothing. How much brighter are they than the stock of GPs?

there's your ultimate answer there.

how do they compare with stock?

for me option #1

[Kev]

Originally Posted by Former_Boosted_IS

No need for bold my friend. I am not implying that you would need to bake. I am just making the point that a heavily involved install on your fragile headlight housing is something I would never want to do again. I would leave my GP's in there before attempting something that might damage my housing. That is all.

If you know anything about the E90 angel eyes, it also requires you to take off your wheel, fender wells, etc to get to the angel eye bulbs. It takes about 45 mins to an hour per side to get the angel eyes. It also requires you modify the angel eyes housing a little bit and you run the risk of not tightening the housing enough causing the headlights to fog up. People are not complaining about that.

For the proposed E92 solution, all you need to do is to pop your hood, open up the covers, and remove the stock housing. You don't even have to fuss with the wheel or fender liner. It might be more involved than just changing an H8 bulb, but if the end results justifies it, I'm all for a more complicated solution. I have tested the possibility of getting into the headlights and removing the housing. To be honest with you, it is really not that complicated or hard. Again, it's not like changing an H8 bulb, but it's not as difficult as it sounds. As others have stated, hopefully you are only doing it once to your car, so the better it looks initially, the better.

Also, from the prototype pictures of the Duke Dynamics unit, I'm going to boldly venture a guess that their solution involves something about the same as Marc's solution 2. If you want to compete in the market, you need some thing that is better than your competitor. If the Lux unit that Marc builds is not better than the DD one, who's going to buy it?

[MyE92]

Originally Posted by Kev

If you know anything about the E90 angel eyes, it also requires you to take off your wheel, fender wells, etc to get to the angel eye bulbs. It takes about 45 mins to an hour per side to get the angel eyes. It also requires you modify the angel eyes housing a little bit and you run the risk of not tightening the housing enough causing the headlights to fog up. People are not complaining about that.

For the proposed E92 solution, all you need to do is to pop your hood, open up the covers, and remove the stock housing. You don't even have to fuss with the wheel or fender liner. It might be more involved than just changing an H8 bulb, but if the end results justifies it, I'm all for a more complicated solution. I have tested the possibility of getting into the headlights and removing the housing. To be honest with you, it is really not that complicated or hard. Again, it's not like changing an H8 bulb, but it's not as difficult as it sounds. As others have stated, hopefully you are only doing it once to your car, so the better it looks initially, the better.

Also, from the prototype pictures of the Duke Dynamics unit, I'm going to boldly venture a guess that their solution involves something about the same as Marc's solution 2. If you want to compete in the market, you need some thing that is better than your competitor. If the Lux unit that Marc builds is not better than the DD one, who's going to buy it?

+1

[carguy19]

The problem with option #1, and Im not knocking Lux, is the design of how the outer ring is illuminated. There is no way to balance them with a single LED on each ring. You need to do it like the lux option 2 or the DD kit they are making to have it look even.

My criteria....

Need to be visible during the day. More so then my GP thunders, the PIAAs suck during the day.
Needs to be even lighting in both rings or really close to it.
Needs to not burn out or fail or do any damage to the wiring or melt anything
I dont care if it takes me 3 hours to install as long as I achieve those 3

[Kev]

Originally Posted by carguy19

The problem with option #1, and Im not knocking Lux, is the design of how the outer ring is illuminated. There is no way to balance them with a single LED on each ring. You need to do it like the lux option 2 or the DD kit they are making to have it look even.

My criteria....

Need to be visible during the day. More so then my GP thunders, the PIAAs suck during the day.
Needs to be even lighting in both rings or really close to it.
Needs to not burn out or fail or do any damage to the wiring or melt anything
I dont care if it takes me 3 hours to install as long as I achieve those 3

+1 what he said

[absix]

Originally Posted by carguy19

The problem with option #1, and Im not knocking Lux, is the design of how the outer ring is illuminated. There is no way to balance them with a single LED on each ring. You need to do it like the lux option 2 or the DD kit they are making to have it look even.

My criteria....

Need to be visible during the day. More so then my GP thunders, the PIAAs suck during the day.
Needs to be even lighting in both rings or really close to it.
Needs to not burn out or fail or do any damage to the wiring or melt anything
I dont care if it takes me 3 hours to install as long as I achieve those 3

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