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      04-20-2016, 09:05 AM   #1
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Cloning DDE

I'm looking at having a stock DDE and one for tune. For those who have cloned theirs with an used control unit. What program/tool did you use to clone your dde?
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      04-20-2016, 09:31 AM   #2
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I'm looking at having a stock DDE and one for tune. For those who have cloned theirs with an used control unit. What program/tool did you use to clone your dde?
In order to clone your DDE you would need to extract the stock files and then bench flash them to the new DDE. Not as simple as it sounds, the equipment, programs and other tools necessary will run you around $10k.

Ask the tuner you plan to have tune your car for you to do it. Bob @ BPC has done mine along with others that are running BPC tunes.
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      04-20-2016, 09:47 AM   #3
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Oh wow.
More complicated that I once thought. Would be more beneficial to have a stock dde for smog time
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      04-20-2016, 09:58 AM   #4
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Question: does the DDE have to be specifically one from a 335d? I see 335i ones on eBay. The description text claims they "fit" on a 335d. Not sure if this is true. If this is a ludicrous question, sorry.

If all the electronic H/w were the same including connections, it would be worth considering.
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Question: does the DDE have to be specifically one from a 335d? I see 335i ones on eBay. The description text claims they "fit" on a 335d. Not sure if this is true. If this is a ludicrous question, sorry.

If all the electronic H/w were the same including connections, it would be worth considering.
The x5d & the 335D are the same, just the programming is different. So you can look for a used x5 35D computer as well.
digital diesel electronics (dde)
Bosch ID: EDC17CP09
BMW ID DDE 7.x or 8.x

The 335i uses the MSD80 & 81, they are no where near the same type of engine computer.

As for cloning we can do it as well
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I'm looking at having a stock DDE and one for tune. For those who have cloned theirs with an used control unit. What program/tool did you use to clone your dde?
I have 2 DDE's, one stock and one tuned for my 335d. This was done by JR tuning. Recently did the same for my X5 35d with Bob at BPC. I have retained all of my emissions components in case they need to be reinstalled. You may be able to do it through INPA reading the CAS, but not positive on that. I used INPA to code a replacement FRM to my 335d.
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Bob, I can't tell from the numbers you posted if this DDE is any good for my 335D - can you?

Pic of my spare DDE
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The x5d & the 335D are the same, just the programming is different. So you can look for a used x5 35D computer as well.
digital diesel electronics (dde)
Bosch ID: EDC17CP09
BMW ID DDE 7.x or 8.x

The 335i uses the MSD80 & 81, they are no where near the same type of engine computer.

As for cloning we can do it as well
Thanks for keeping me out of trouble.
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Bob, I can't tell from the numbers you posted if this DDE is any good for my 335D - can you?

Pic of my spare DDE
its good
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so what's a reasonable price for a dde?
I may get one and send that to BPC.
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      04-21-2016, 05:13 PM   #12
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so what's a reasonable price for a dde?
I may get one and send that to BPC.
I got my first one for $250 shipped and the second for $280. I used the cross/supercession list on real oem to verify the correct DDE's. Or better yet...just ask Bob at BPC, he is the man!
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gotcha
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      04-22-2016, 12:57 PM   #14
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its good
Thanks Bob! Still planning a trip to Raleigh, but can't seem to get it high enough up on the priority list of things to do just yet...
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      05-02-2016, 01:53 AM   #15
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Can anyone confirm this will work with my 2011 335d?
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Looks to be an EDC17CP09 out of an x5, it will work
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