[starbuck]

To start, I have searched on this extensively but have been able to find detailed information that would allow me to compare and for my specific purpose.

I already considered MHD and JB4 - not interested in moving ahead with either of those options.

That being said, this is where I am having trouble choosing between the Eurocharged tune or the Dinan S2 Tune. My target is to see a noticeable increase in power, while maintaining the longevity and reliability of my motor ie. Mid 300's for both HP and TQ to the wheel. Considering Im already PPK tuned, my worry is the Dinan may be too conservative and not noticeable at that price.

**Note: Will NOT be doing Catless or Catted DP

2011 E92 335i Xdrive (AT) - N55
-43,000kms with 5w40 Liquimolly oil changes every 5000kms
-Typically filling with Petro 94 or Shell 91
-AFE Dry Drop-In Filter
-PE Mod
-PPK Tuned

Option 1: Eurocharged Tune Stage 1
- Roughly $1K CAD
- Results vary based on mods and other conditions, but overwhelmingly positive reviews
- Seems that boost is set to roughly 17-18PSI
(im not sure if this is too much for sustained periods on stock motor/turbos and how it may affect longevity)

Option 2: Dinan S2 Tune
- Roughly $1.2K CAD
- Mixed reviews on this
- Unable to confirm but boost may be set lower around 13-15psi
- Their site also seems to indicate other changes ie. increase of waterpump speed for better cooling


Hoping some of you are on either of these tunes and can chime in, even better if you went from PPK to one of these tunes to speak to the differences. Any insight is appreciated.

[Pladi]

I think you are looking at this bottom side up. No where do i see you list what supporting mods you will be using or fuel for 17 PSI tunes..

I hope your not thinking the Canadian 91-94 pump gas will be enough. You will destroy something in no time.

Tune is the easy part. No matter who you go with. Fuel and supporting hardware is actually what gets you there.

You can put the best tune if you dont have good fuel it means nothing. Esp at 17-18 PSI //

[Turbod]

I couldn't recommend either of those tunes for that price. There is just no value there. Pladi is correct though. If you are running 91 or 94 octane you will be limited by that more than anything else. If sticking with pump gas is your only option, you want that mid 300whp, and you're willing to spend over $1,000 on a tune then you should buy a PS2 turbo.

Being that the PS2 is a hybrid turbo you maintain the stock functionality and reliability. You will be able to see about 4 more psi on the same octane. You should then find a tune that is cheaper. Twisted tuning said they may have changed their mind about a OTS PS2 map which would be a good solution.

[starbuck]

Originally Posted by Pladi

I think you are looking at this bottom side up. No where do i see you list what supporting mods you will be using or fuel for 17 PSI tunes..

I hope your not thinking the Canadian 91-94 pump gas will be enough. You will destroy something in no time.

Tune is the easy part. No matter who you go with. Fuel and supporting hardware is actually what gets you there.

You can put the best tune if you dont have good fuel it means nothing. Esp at 17-18 PSI //

Your point on the fuel is interesting as the Eurocharged tune is a locally supported Tune by Eurocharged Canada in Toronto. They have done hundreds (if not thousands) of N55`s tuned and tested on Petro 94. Not sure what the data is on the impact of this in the context of your comments. Unless there is someone here running their tune in Canada with something other than pump gas. I have contacted them and confirmed this - as well as there a few members of BMW TN FB group running this tune on pump gas seeing numbers in the mid-high 300`s for hp and tq. One member was running the tune on his otherwise stock 2011 135i since 30k now at 120k kms.

Not discounting your point but interesting in hearing from someone running this tune.

http://eurocharged.ca/product/335i-p...oftware-flash/


The Dinan tune is also done by Budds BMW in Oakville Ontario as an authorized dealer and has confirmed that pump gas 91 or 94 is fine. They have had cars tuned right after purchase and holding strong for many years (this is a tune that has been around for n55 for a while).

I`d love to hear from someone using one of these tunes to see if indeed they needed supporting mods related to fueling to accommodate these tunes. Regarding price, lets set that aside for a sec as a non factor in what Im looking to compare here.

[Pladi]

Originally Posted by starbuck

Your point on the fuel is interesting as the Eurocharged tune is a locally supported Tune by Eurocharged Canada in Toronto. They have done hundreds (if not thousands) of N55`s tuned and tested on Petro 94. Not sure what the data is on the impact of this in the context of your comments. Unless there is someone here running their tune in Canada with something other than pump gas. I have contacted them and confirmed this - as well as there a few members of BMW TN FB group running this tune on pump gas seeing numbers in the mid-high 300`s for hp and tq. One member was running the tune on his otherwise stock 2011 135i since 30k now at 120k kms.

Not discounting your point but interesting in hearing from someone running this tune.

http://eurocharged.ca/product/335i-p...oftware-flash/


The Dinan tune is also done by Budds BMW in Oakville Ontario as an authorized dealer and has confirmed that pump gas 91 or 94 is fine. They have had cars tuned right after purchase and holding strong for many years (this is a tune that has been around for n55 for a while).

I`d love to hear from someone using one of these tunes to see if indeed they needed supporting mods related to fueling to accommodate these tunes. Regarding price, lets set that aside for a sec as a non factor in what Im looking to compare here.

I am interested too. To be honest never heard of them. I am a very active member who supports and understands MHD. We would have to see some of these logs to believe. Petro 94 runs stage 2 (around 17PSI) with supporting mods but you dont have nothing added or bolted seems like so its very surprising to me that you can achieve such boost safely.

[Turbod]

If they are running 17 psi on 91 then there is very little to no timing advance.

[Pladi]

Originally Posted by Turbod

If they are running 17 psi on 91 then there is very little to no timing advance.

The best part is the price 1000 bucks for a tune

[Turbod]

Originally Posted by Pladi

The best part is the price 1000 bucks for a tune

I understand people thinking certain options provide some extra level of safety. The reality is tuning isn't magic and so long as the tuning options you're looking at have proven to be safe then you should only consider extras or ease of usability in deciding between your options. I have seen some people get quotes from local shops saying they will tune their car for $1,500. Educated decisions are the best decisions.

[Pladi]

Originally Posted by Turbod

I understand people thinking certain options provide some extra level of safety. The reality is tuning isn't magic and so long as the tuning options you're looking at have proven to be safe then you should only consider extras or ease of usability in deciding between your options. I have seen some people get quotes from local shops saying they will tune their car for $1,500. Educated decisions are the best decisions.

Could not agree more. You can sell anything to anyone who does not know what they are actually buying.

[gurusan]

What exactly are you looking for, just approval from a user or 2 that has these tunes? Anyone who paid the money for them is not going to tell you they aren't great.

However, the fact of the matter is that they offer nothing above what is available at about 10% of the price, in fact I'd argue they offer less.

I don't mean to belittle your preference, but you should seriously question the reasons why you exclude MHD...or at least share them so experienced members can give feedback.

[maddmatth]

MHD is a tool... you can have a custom map made for your car by a tuner and flashed with MHD. That will be custom made to your car and your requirements. And you can use MHD's options to adjust some features to your liking, such as exhaust burble and working the waterpump harder for extra cooling.

Understandable if you don't want a catless DP but an intercooler will help a lot. The AFE filter will make no difference...

There's no telling how good those Dinan or Eurocharged tunes are without people trying them and recording logs, which may not be possible as they're probably locked down. Are they even adjusted for your car, do they have different maps for different fuel? Or are they some generic off the shelf map made for a bog standard 335i on the lowest octane the car can support?

[Bours]

slap on a ps2 on your car and run 17 psi on petro 94 octane....if not blow your engine up on 17 with only a tune....the only way would be 1 or 2 degrees of timing but yoir car would be rly slow

[Kev0]

Originally Posted by Pladi

The best part is the price 1000 bucks for a tune

I just realized he said 1k CAD. Close to $750 US. So not too bad I guess. I paid close to 700 for Cobb AP when I first started. He'll probably come around to MHD after his decision on Dinan or Eurocharged. Seems like he is set on a stage 1 tune.

[starbuck]

I use have had a few civics and integras that i would upgrade and get tuned - I would have to spend a fair bit more than this for any real gains on those platforms.

While I'm not sure why everyone is so concerned with the cost or why not mhd (because I clearly am not)...I was more so interested to hear about the driveabilty and reliability reliability if these tunes from those using them...i have been able to get this feedback from the bmw tn group so i have what i need to move ahead. I since put on an er charge pipe and ordered vrsf fmic...tune with eurocharged is scheduled.

Thanks for the input either way

[Pladi]

Originally Posted by starbuck

I use have had a few civics and integras that i would upgrade and get tuned - I would have to spend a fair bit more than this for any real gains on those platforms.

While I'm not sure why everyone is so concerned with the cost or why not mhd (because I clearly am not)...I was more so interested to hear about the driveabilty and reliability reliability if these tunes from those using them...i have been able to get this feedback from the bmw tn group so i have what i need to move ahead. I since put on an er charge pipe and ordered vrsf fmic...tune with eurocharged is scheduled.

Thanks for the input either way

Glad to know u took all the advice here. See you soon

[Turbod]

Originally Posted by starbuck

I use have had a few civics and integras that i would upgrade and get tuned - I would have to spend a fair bit more than this for any real gains on those platforms.

While I'm not sure why everyone is so concerned with the cost or why not mhd (because I clearly am not)...I was more so interested to hear about the driveabilty and reliability reliability if these tunes from those using them...i have been able to get this feedback from the bmw tn group so i have what i need to move ahead. I since put on an er charge pipe and ordered vrsf fmic...tune with eurocharged is scheduled.

Thanks for the input either way

The difference is, especially with Dinan, you're paying more for less. The reason price is brought up is because they charge more than they should. I cannot speak for Eurocharged but with Dinan their tune is too conservative and then marked up. Just because it costs more doesn't make it better. Your profile says you joined in 2014 so if you have read the posts you will see that many people switch after getting a Dinan tune. Being that tuning isn't magic you will not be getting more power with Eurocharged even if they set boost to 17 psi. Octane is your limiting factor so with more boost you will have less timing. What you need to look at is what else you get. What platform is Eurocharged using to tune. I assume it is a flash option, is it Cobb? If they use MHD then you're just paying that much for a custom tune. Maybe they are bench flashing with their own software. Do they remove things like the speed limiter? With an option like MHD you can change your tune easily if you switch octane. Do you even have the option with Eurocharged? Is the tune a custom tune for your vehicle or are they flashing their OTS map?

The reason you aren't getting a lot of feedback here for them is because they are not as widely known or used as MHD. JB4 has been on top for piggyback tunes for as long as I have been a part of this platform. Cobb was the flash option if you didn't pay too much for a Dinan tune until MHD was released.

Know what you're buying, know your options, then make your decision.

[Bours]

yea man you are making a poor choice to be honest and the people from your group dont seem to know the n55 tuning world if they told you to go eurocharged....

you will be octane limited and run low timing....you will pay 1000$ for something that is worst than all the known other options like jb4 or mhd....

be cautious with 17 psi on pump btw....

[Pladi]

Originally Posted by Bours

yea man you are making a poor choice to be honest and the people from your group dont seem to know the n55 tuning world if they told you to go eurocharged....

you will be octane limited and run low timing....you will pay 1000$ for something that is worst than all the known other options like jb4 or mhd....

be cautious with 17 psi on pump btw....

did you sell your car yet ?

[Turbod]

Originally Posted by Pladi

did you sell your car yet ?

He ran 17 psi on pump, there is no car left to sell.

[Pladi]

Originally Posted by Turbod

He ran 17 psi on pump, there is no car left to sell.

lol, he did have a blown up engine but he rebuilt it. And i think it was up for sale.

[Turbod]

Originally Posted by Pladi

lol, he did have a blown up engine but he rebuilt it. And i think it was up for sale.

He keeps going back and forth on selling it since he bought a RS3. It, RS3, was recently wrecked though so I assume he will hang on to the BMW for a little while longer.

[Bours]

Originally Posted by Turbod

He keeps going back and forth on selling it since he bought a RS3. It, RS3, was recently wrecked though so I assume he will hang on to the BMW for a little while longer.

lol its a minor accident itll be fixed rly soon..