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      10-27-2019, 05:31 PM   #793
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Any updates on the build?
Yes. Currently coordinating with a gentleman who deals em out. Looking for a later production n52. He has a low mileage n52 out of an 06 330, but I am holding out for the engine with the redesigned head. Sold my e23, so I'm golden now. Just being picky... rightfully so.
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ordered an n52 with 70k miles
aluminum JB flywheel
metallic sachs clutch
Turner solid engine and transmission mounts

should be getting started around the 15th.

after this, I'll hit up Bob and get those injectors ordered along with a meth kit. Once all that is in his possession, I'm gonna try to schedule something with him so he can add those things and the n54 manifold Biginboca hooked me up with then I'll ship the car to him and let him work his magic-
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ordered an n52 with 70k miles
aluminum JB flywheel
metallic sachs clutch
Turner solid engine and transmission mounts

should be getting started around the 15th.

after this, I'll hit up Bob and get those injectors ordered along with a meth kit. Once all that is in his possession, I'm gonna try to schedule something with him so he can add those things and the n54 manifold Biginboca hooked me up with then I'll ship the car to him and let him work his magic-
Oh yea, how do I get a hold of Bob? I hear everyone talking about him but I cant seem to get in contact with him
Anyways, that n54 manifold will be great for boost, I'm excited to see how that's gonna turn out

Edit: Nvm, just realized I follow him on Instagram and have had multiple conversations with him 😂 never knew it was him

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ordered an n52 with 70k miles
aluminum JB flywheel
metallic sachs clutch
Turner solid engine and transmission mounts

should be getting started around the 15th.

after this, I'll hit up Bob and get those injectors ordered along with a meth kit. Once all that is in his possession, I'm gonna try to schedule something with him so he can add those things and the n54 manifold Biginboca hooked me up with then I'll ship the car to him and let him work his magic-
Welcome back brother, and bet you missed it! Just about to do the 22.5k SC oil change and runs fantastic. Hope you have better luck with your new engine! More Powa
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ordered an n52 with 70k miles
aluminum JB flywheel
metallic sachs clutch
Turner solid engine and transmission mounts

should be getting started around the 15th.

after this, I'll hit up Bob and get those injectors ordered along with a meth kit. Once all that is in his possession, I'm gonna try to schedule something with him so he can add those things and the n54 manifold Biginboca hooked me up with then I'll ship the car to him and let him work his magic-
What injectors are you fitting? I have some BPC N52 turbo injectors sat in my garage. They were fitted to the car but never did any miles as Bob and I couldn't get my custom SC set up to work properly with remote tuning. I have gone back to NA now.
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ordered an n52 with 70k miles
aluminum JB flywheel
metallic sachs clutch
Turner solid engine and transmission mounts

should be getting started around the 15th.

after this, I'll hit up Bob and get those injectors ordered along with a meth kit. Once all that is in his possession, I'm gonna try to schedule something with him so he can add those things and the n54 manifold Biginboca hooked me up with then I'll ship the car to him and let him work his magic-
What injectors are you fitting? I have some BPC N52 turbo injectors sat in my garage. They were fitted to the car but never did any miles as Bob and I couldn't get my custom SC set up to work properly with remote tuning. I have gone back to NA now.
As far as I know (last time I spoke to BPCs SA) they are the s65 injectors. I was told they have the same spray pattern, but dump more fuel (naturally) and would help with the e85 endeavor... I topped out at an e40 blend with stock injectors. Anything higher with stock injectors would result in a lean AFR. I even told the SA I'd scoop em, but he told me to let them handle it... for whatever reason.
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Do you guys know what the main difference is on this new ver 3 kit, from our previous version 2, with the vortech v-3 si kit?

New one: ESS N52 G1 Supercharger System (Gen.3)
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Do you guys know what the main difference is on this new ver 3 kit, from our previous version 2, with the vortech v-3 si kit?

New one: ESS N52 G1 Supercharger System (Gen.3)
Interesting.

It seems like they moved to in-house supercharger. It has their logo, etc. I can't find anything regarding the unit itself.

Edit: I think they may have went with procharger instead of vortech.

New one seems to exit to the side, while old one was to the front.
Old one:

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Instead of swapping hardware I wish they would address their software issues.

Can’t use headers.
Can’t use throttle while braking (throttle blip downshift).
Plus every DIY install I’ve seen on this forum there are big battles with tuning.

And ESS is not showing any signs of addressing these issues, and instead give us a compressor update lol

From a tuning standpoint the kit just seems really unsorted. If they could get some of the tuning issues addressed I would possibly be a customer, but not as it stands.
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Instead of swapping hardware I wish they would address their software issues.

Canít use headers.
Canít use throttle while braking (throttle blip downshift).
Plus every DIY install Iíve seen on this forum there are big battles with tuning.

And ESS is not showing any signs of addressing these issues, and instead give us a compressor update lol

From a tuning standpoint the kit just seems really unsorted. If they could get some of the tuning issues addressed I would possibly be a customer, but not as it stands.
From my reading of their site, maybe they have. They state that only cars with MSV70 lose throttle ability.
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*MSV70 cars that we convert to Alpha-N (MAFless) operation, will not retain ability to apply throttle and brake at the same time unless the signal wire from brake pedal to ECU is disconnected.
This is what they have to say about headers and 3im:
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The 3 stage DISA manifold from the 330/530, etc works fine with this kit and we have developed software to perfectly integrate this functionality on cars not originally equipped with this manifold. Do NOT under any circumstance run headers on the N52 engine, this generates a massive O2 feedback timing issue and incorrect AFR control as a result. This can cause catastrophic failure when combined with boost! We will not support any issues whatsoever on a N52 equipped with aftermarket headers.
https://esstuning.com/ess-n52-g1-sup...-system-gen-3/

TBH, I think this kit would be adequate for over 90% of people. Now, if they would only support milvs, that would be a jackpot.
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TBH, I think this kit would be adequate for over 90% of people. Now, if they would only support milvs, that would be a jackpot.
I think most people who are willing to spend $5k or whatever the cost is for the ESS kit will want maximum power and probably already have headers, 3SI, MILVs etc.

Without a decent tune the success of this kit has always been hampered
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From my reading of their site, maybe they have. They state that only cars with MSV70 lose throttle ability.
It's nice they now add in this warning.
Back when I bought the kit 2 years ago, I tell them this issue and send them this video, they said it's a feature for safety. ;/


(I got it sorted by messing with the brake signal.... otherwise my manual car would be useless without the ability to blip throttle during downshift. )
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Also, I never go down in fluid in the SC except for a trace of red fluid in the seat of the pressure valve screw. Are you finding that you go through fluid in your 7.5k intervals?

Thanks, and happy Friday!
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I think most people who are willing to spend $5k or whatever the cost is for the ESS kit will want maximum power and probably already have headers, 3SI, MILVs etc.

Without a decent tune the success of this kit has always been hampered
Bob from StageFP could get it sorted.

I think part of the issue with the headers was the O2 feedback reading. Hassmachine fixed it by using the delay from the S54's MSS70 (related to our MSV70, and MSV80 DMES) which has more tubular exhaust manifolds. (I mean, I did think about it, as something similar was brought up for the Z4M and MSV70 ECU differences....)

Anyhow, that was the issue with the header situation. The issue with no left foot brake seems more peculiar. The MAFLESS version of the 328i is sold in Europe where ESS is based, why did they have the force the car into semi limp more to get "ALFA N" and lose that function?
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Waiting on this JB flywheel- shouldve sent directly from the manufacturer- so no tracking number from ECS.🥺
If I can get the car into the shop this Monday- I could have it back Friday.
But it may extend into the new year, fml.

Anyone know if the n52n came with a crush style head gasket like the early n52b30?

So the rundown:

Going to reseal the oil pan since the swap demands it because of the engine being from an AT car. Oil filter housing gasket replacement. Milvs transfer from original engine to the replacement, so new VCG as well. While the trans is out, gonna do that risky transmission flush since it's at 120k miles. (anyone have any supporting evidence on why I should or shouldnt? Figure I'd do it for the sake of doing it with the new clutch and flywheel in the mix... if so- what fluid should I go with?)

I will probably ask for a new football gasket too.
Going to make sure the old engine gives up the ECS sensor, VANOS, and a couple other misc. sensors are moved since they only have ~50k miles.

Homeboy mentioned that the timing chain cog is better on the early n52. Any thoughts?
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While the trans is out, gonna do that risky transmission flush since it's at 120k miles. (anyone have any supporting evidence on why I should or shouldnt? Figure I'd do it for the sake of doing it with the new clutch and flywheel in the mix... if so- what fluid should I go with?)

Manual? Trans flush? Don't worry about anything happening. It's only automatics that FLUSHES are a problem. Drain-and-fills will NEVER give you issues unless you mess up the job, or a problem already existed.

Double check this but a lotta guys run Redline ATF D6 (maybe D4 I forget) for manuals. I personally run Redline MTL but some guys complain it's too thick for colder climates.

And yeah snag as many sensors as you can, they're not cheap from BMW.
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God I know you guys like your n52 but after all is said and done you will still be slower than a stock n54 and you will have dropped 8k+

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God I know you guys like your n52 but after all is said and done you will still be slower than a stock n54 and you will have dropped 8k+

Noir just come to the dark side.
The goal is to keep this as a toy - the next car is going to be a m2 comp or the g20 m3 if it comes out looking stellar*
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While the trans is out, gonna do that risky transmission flush since it's at 120k miles. (anyone have any supporting evidence on why I should or shouldnt?
Nothing to worry about at all with the 6MT; it's a Getrag, and there's nothing fancy going on in there. I'd use Pentosin or Ravenol fluids. With the Getrag, simply drain from the drain plug, seal, and fill into the fill hole until fluid starts overflowing. Piece of cake. I bought my 328 with a bad clutch so I had to get in'ere in the first month of ownership.
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God I know you guys like your n52 but after all is said and done you will still be slower than a stock n54 and you will have dropped 8k+

Noir just come to the dark side.
LOL.....I know. It's just fun to have something to work on. I already have a "go fast" toy that was almost too easy to make power in, and lighter on top of it all. Plus I don't need any more power in that car. It has plenty aside from bragging rights. But I have had those toys as well where numbers were all that mattered.

My little N52 is as much fun to drive as my Corvette as they differ so much in how the power comes on. Kind of reminds me of my old E46 M3.

Plus I never really had the opportunity to work on a BMW before this car. Since owning it, every bit of work aside from the tune was done by me and I enjoy learning new things.
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