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Originally Posted by irishbimmer

So, how many gun deaths occur in Canada as compared to the United States annually?

How many more people live in the US than Canada?

[Soul_Glo]

So sad. Prayers to the families.

[1MOREMOD]

Originally Posted by sspade

How many more people live in the US than Canada?

10x

[mk1-fan]

Originally Posted by usshelena725

Hit the nail on the head, right there. Of course, you should put your entire comment in quotes as 'theoretical' - since it is nearly impossible to obtain a firearm for defense, and then the rules for retreat are so onerous, that it is highly likely you will end up on the wrong side of the law if used in self defense.

On a side note, where in the GP are you? Wife is from SA, we visit family there annually. My BIL lives in Sandton, other in laws are all in KZN.

I am in Vanderbijlpark, about 70km south of Johannesburg.

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Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

10x

Bingo

[RABAUKE]

Originally Posted by irishbimmer

So, how many gun deaths occur in Canada as compared to the United States annually?

Canada has lower rates of death by firearms than the US, our gun laws are pretty strict. I am a gun owner, you need to take a government approved course and then submit test results and application to the RCMP for background checks. The application includes having spouses and references signing off that know you are applying and that they are ok with it. Our storage laws are also strict, you must keep firearms locked in a safe or a rack with trigger locks and ammunition must be stored separately and locked up. Having said that the vast majority of gun crimes are not committed by legal gun owners (both Canada and the US), so we hear lots of rhetoric about banning guns in Canada, to that I say Murder is already banned and that doesn't seem to be working.

[MrRoboto]

Originally Posted by sspade

Ive always thought it was ridiculous how Canada wont allow law abiding citizens to own handguns but somehow criminals and mentally ill people get their hands on them?

Thankful for the constitution!

I'm a Canadian and own 2 handguns legally.

[RABAUKE]

Originally Posted by MrRoboto

I'm a Canadian and own 2 handguns legally.

I have one and so does my wife. If you look at the chart I posted I think is shows that 25 in 100 Canadians own firearms vs 89 in the US. We don't own as many guns as the US but we own a lot more than most Canadians realize.

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Originally Posted by RABAUKE

I have one and so does my wife. If you look at the chart I posted I think is shows that 25 in 100 Canadians own firearms vs 89 in the US. We don't own as many guns as the US but we own a lot more than most Canadians realize.

Im assuming those stats include long guns as well?

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Originally Posted by MrRoboto

I'm a Canadian and own 2 handguns legally.

Honest question:

Has something changed since 2013?

I lived in the GTA for 11 years (02-13) and it was commonly discussed by my peers on how they weren't allowed to purchase handguns and only long guns used for hunting purposes. Obviously there are always extenuating circumstances where people can get approval but generally speaking most citizens were unable to purchase a handgun.

[RABAUKE]

Originally Posted by sspade

Honest question:

Has something changed since 2013?

I lived in the GTA for 11 years (02-13) and it was commonly discussed by my peers on how they weren't allowed to purchase handguns and only long guns used for hunting purposes. Obviously there are always extenuating circumstances where people can get approval but generally speaking most citizens were unable to purchase a handgun.

You've always been allowed to purchase or acquire handguns in Canada but it's much more difficult than long guns. You needed to get a restricted permit with an FAC and now the government has brought in the PAL and RPAL (Restricted Purchase Acquisition Licence). Requires taking and passing the Canadian Firearms Licence course, having references and permission from spouses or ex-relationships within 2 years. Criminal Record check etc.

[RABAUKE]

Originally Posted by sspade

Im assuming those stats include long guns as well?

For both the US and Canada

[Joekerr]

Originally Posted by sspade

Honest question:

Has something changed since 2013?

I lived in the GTA for 11 years (02-13) and it was commonly discussed by my peers on how they weren't allowed to purchase handguns and only long guns used for hunting purposes. Obviously there are always extenuating circumstances where people can get approval but generally speaking most citizens were unable to purchase a handgun.

No, nothing has changed since 2013 that I'm aware of (aside from a loosening of restrictions regarding carrying a separate ATT - it is now part of your PAL automatically).

You could definitely own handguns before 2013.

I own the trifecta - handgun (Kimber 1911 Raptor II stainless), rifle (Remington 700 with a 5R barrel chambered in .308), and a shotgun (Benelli Supernova in 12G).

Figure I'm covered for most of the disciplines...just have to get out this summer and put some rounds through the shotgun for the first time - my latest acquisition.

[Kid Eh]

"70% of the crime guns recovered and traced in Mexico, and 98% of crime guns in Canada originate in the U.S."

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed...06-story.html#

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Originally Posted by RABAUKE

You've always been allowed to purchase or acquire handguns in Canada but it's much more difficult than long guns. You needed to get a restricted permit with an FAC and now the government has brought in the PAL and RPAL (Restricted Purchase Acquisition Licence). Requires taking and passing the Canadian Firearms Licence course, having references and permission from spouses or ex-relationships within 2 years. Criminal Record check etc.

10-4. So I guess we could say that it's always been such a hassle and time consuming process that most people dont bother and just grab a 12 gauge from the sporting goods store to keep at home for protection if they feel the need for firearm protection.

[Joekerr]

Originally Posted by sspade

10-4. So I guess we could say that it's always been such a hassle and time consuming process that most people dont bother and just grab a 12 gauge from the sporting goods store to keep at home for protection if they feel the need for firearm protection.

I suppose that is likely, assuming they felt the need for firearms to protect themselves. A 12G with a proper load would likely be a good choice.

A handgun, due to the storage requirements, would almost never ever be ideal for defense. Unless said person was willing to give you 10 minutes to go down, unlock the safe, remove the trigger lock, unbox your ammo, load a magazine or two, ready the gun, and come back.

Plus, I think most people would be a pretty lousy shot with a handgun in that circumstance and likely wouldn't hit anything...or at least not the target, and that may cause even more harm due to unintended placement of bullet...may endanger own family or the neighbour.

Whereas a 12G is a little more forgiving...but still, doesn't disperse that much in close quarters, so have to have some reasonable aim at 10-15 feet. Nevertheless, my firearms would not be my go-to. I'd first try to see if my family and I can get out of the house safely. If we can't, it's pretty much a guarantee we aren't getting to the basement where they are stored, so I've got a baseball bat under the bed and I guess I'd go for my best Babe Ruth impression.

[MrRoboto]

As soon as the police released the guys name I was thinking here we go. All the anti-immigration, islamophobic, alt-right jackasses will be on their soap box blaming Trudeau, etc.

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by MrRoboto

As soon as the police released the guys name I was thinking here we go. All the anti-immigration, islamophobic, alt-right jackasses will be on their soap box blaming Trudeau, etc.

Lol. I knew this would turn into a political swing-fest.

But to be fair, whenever a shooter is a white male the far-leftists do the exact same.

Basically, folks on both extremes are the exact same people. Their minds work exactly the same. Reactionary, emotion-driven, divisive, etc.

[JimVonBaden]

Originally Posted by RABAUKE

Canada has lower rates of death by firearms than the US, our gun laws are pretty strict. I am a gun owner, you need to take a government approved course and then submit test results and application to the RCMP for background checks. The application includes having spouses and references signing off that know you are applying and that they are ok with it. Our storage laws are also strict, you must keep firearms locked in a safe or a rack with trigger locks and ammunition must be stored separately and locked up. Having said that the vast majority of gun crimes are not committed by legal gun owners (both Canada and the US), so we hear lots of rhetoric about banning guns in Canada, to that I say Murder is already banned and that doesn't seem to be working.

The difference is, in general, Canadians are more likely to follow gun laws than Americans. While I fully support the 2nd amendment, I also support following existing gun laws. So many people in the US think they have rights they do not have, and ignore the laws.

[Germanauto]

In general there is so much unrest in the States because our population is very diverse. That leads to countless differences in opinion on every political/social topic.

Canada has 10% of the population of us and is overwhelmingly White, Asian, and Indian. Plus, the majority of people live in just three metros (GTA, Montreal, and Vancouver).

[JimVonBaden]

Originally Posted by RABAUKE

I have one and so does my wife. If you look at the chart I posted I think is shows that 25 in 100 Canadians own firearms vs 89 in the US. We don't own as many guns as the US but we own a lot more than most Canadians realize.

That is not what the chart actually says. It says there are 89 guns per 100 Americans. Not that 89 out of 100 own guns. Most American gun owners have several guns. I am fully willing to bet that is the same in Canada, and that in the USA less than 1/3 of Americans actually own guns. I have 5 myself.

[MrRoboto]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

Lol. I knew this would turn into a political swing-fest.

But to be fair, whenever a shooter is a white male the far-leftists do the exact same.

Basically, folks on both extremes are the exact same people. Their minds work exactly the same. Reactionary, emotion-driven, divisive, etc.

My point is I wish it wouldn't turn political. Watching the twittersphere, people were saying they won't release his name because he is Muslim, etc. and then the cops released the name ind it was validation for some.