[nicknaz]

I attended a DE yesterday at t-hill and two EVOs almost went off course in front of me (trying to keep ahead?) one went got big oversteer after cresting T5a (bypass) and another dropped wheels tracking out of T6

I dealt with it by backing waaay off. Any tips for this situation (and for making sure I do not succumb to the mist myself)?




and random note... i got signed off for HPDE 3. yay?

[saltwater]

Sounds like a NASA event. I usually keep my distance, as you stated. It is probably the best thing to do and can often ruin one of your runs. But it is the safest thing to do in the event you deal with this.

If you haven't already, try out the different HPDE groups....TEAM Racing, HOD, Trackmasters, etc. All of them are different and have very different attendees. The NASA events I have attended tend to be more aggressive, but they are also a lot of fun. That is what made me build an e30.

I hope that helps.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by saltwater

Sounds like a NASA event. I usually keep my distance, as you stated. It is probably the best thing to do and can often ruin one of your runs. But it is the safest thing to do in the event you deal with this.

If you haven't already, try out the different HPDE groups....TEAM Racing, HOD, Trackmasters, etc. All of them are different and have very different attendees. The NASA events I have attended tend to be more aggressive, but they are also a lot of fun. That is what made me build an e30.

I hope that helps.

Thanks for the perspective. I've only tried NASA and HOD so far. I'm thinking about potentially going with a group that sells track time at higher prices for more time on track, with the thought that the higher cost of entry will discourage some of the younger participants. Do you think this would cut down on drivers who try to drive over their head?

[Feffman]

Nick, talk to the organizers as they may not be aware of the issue. Occassionally we (www.MVPTrackTime.com) have a red mister we have a "Come to Jesus" meeting with. One meeting generally settles the problem.

Feff

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by saltwater

Sounds like a NASA event. I usually keep my distance, as you stated. It is probably the best thing to do and can often ruin one of your runs. But it is the safest thing to do in the event you deal with this.

If you haven't already, try out the different HPDE groups....TEAM Racing, HOD, Trackmasters, etc. All of them are different and have very different attendees. The NASA events I have attended tend to be more aggressive, but they are also a lot of fun. That is what made me build an e30.

I hope that helps.

+1

Different groups have different cultures. I settled on a group dominated by old men in 80k-100k cars who are always happy to give you the "point by".

It comes at a price of $100-150+ more per event than most groups.

[saltwater]

Originally Posted by Nick Nazareno

Thanks for the perspective. I've only tried NASA and HOD so far. I'm thinking about potentially going with a group that sells track time at higher prices for more time on track, with the thought that the higher cost of entry will discourage some of the younger participants. Do you think this would cut down on drivers who try to drive over their head?

For sure. If you pick a more expensive group it will certainly cut down on this sort of thing. I have had really good luck with HOD and the BMWCCA. The drivers are usually respectful and the organizers don't tolerate any overly aggressive drivers.

[S4to335]

Originally Posted by Nick Nazareno

I attended a DE yesterday at t-hill and two EVOs almost went off course in front of me (trying to keep ahead?) one went got big oversteer after cresting T5a (bypass) and another dropped wheels tracking out of T6

I dealt with it by backing waaay off. Any tips for this situation (and for making sure I do not succumb to the mist myself)?




and random note... i got signed off for HPDE 3. yay?

Were they both gray metallic in color..if so..they were my friends...Sean and Edric...if they were smokin fast..they were them. Sean has done a 1:59 in his Evo at Thunderhill. They usually run in the Time Trial group.

As for the mist..you mean yourself..or your student? What helps my students is telling them to concentrate on breathing thru their nose...and deeply.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by S4to335

Were they both gray metallic in color.

No, one was a blue evo X GSR and the other was a white EVO IX. Definitely not them.

[longodj]

Hey congrats on moving up! Were the offenders in HPDE2 or HPDE3? HPDE2 drivers are still learning and are really excited and usually overagressive. HPDE3 drivers (me now) know what they're doing but think they're god and push WAY too hard. You may just have to play it safe until you move into the HPDE4/TT group where at least people truly know what they're doing. At least from what I've heard...and at least from what I've seen on the east coast, I'm sure it's different out there.

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by longodj

Hey congrats on moving up! Were the offenders in HPDE2 or HPDE3? HPDE2 drivers are still learning and are really excited and usually overagressive. HPDE3 drivers (me now) know what they're doing but think they're god and push WAY too hard. You may just have to play it safe until you move into the HPDE4/TT group where at least people truly know what they're doing. At least from what I've heard...and at least from what I've seen on the east coast, I'm sure it's different out there.

Thx. The users I was complaining about were in 2

Yes, I am concerned about the aggression level in 3. I guess we'll see how it goes. I'll give 3 a try next time and may decide to stay around in 2 depending on how crazy people are. I got signed off during my 4th DE and I'm concerned I may not have enough perspective to handle myself with crazy people around

[jbass524]

Originally Posted by Nick Nazareno

Thanks for the perspective. I've only tried NASA and HOD so far. I'm thinking about potentially going with a group that sells track time at higher prices for more time on track, with the thought that the higher cost of entry will discourage some of the younger participants. Do you think this would cut down on drivers who try to drive over their head?

You hit the nail on the head Nick. NASA attracts "Fast and Furious" types. NASA plays at enforcing safety and mutual respect on the track. Mix that with the low budget and you may see spins, crashes and ca to car incidents all before session 3. I have.

Here's a silly post on another forum you may wanna read for fun: http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum....php?t=1024506

[nicknaz]

Originally Posted by jbass524

Mix that with the low budget and you may see spins, crashes and ca to car incidents all before session 3. I have.

Yes, I've seen em too, so I back way off whenever it looks like someone is going to put it off the pavement

the worse I've seen was novice group at a motorcycle track day. 2nd session of the day someone had to be airlifted from that track. talk about a reminder to ride within your limits