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      09-13-2023, 11:40 PM   #4137
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Can hardly wait till these Green idiots realize that their 20 minute top off became a 2 hour top off because the grid didn't have the power available and all the Web connected chargers throttled down. These are the same idiots that cried like little girls over Net Neutrality because they thought their internet access would be throttle down.
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China’s success is down to a multi-decade government-planned effort is both true and slightly academic at this stage. The country’s accumulated advantages are daunting. It controls two-thirds of global capacity for processing lithium, the raw material for batteries, and dominates every aspect of battery production. It produced 10 times as many battery vehicles last year as Germany. It has a manufacturing cost advantage of perhaps 20 to 25 per cent.
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China’s success is down to a multi-decade government-planned effort is both true and slightly academic at this stage. The country’s accumulated advantages are daunting. It controls two-thirds of global capacity for processing lithium, the raw material for batteries, and dominates every aspect of battery production. It produced 10 times as many battery vehicles last year as Germany. It has a manufacturing cost advantage of perhaps 20 to 25 per cent.
Maybe I have this wrong, but given the tension between China and most western democracies couldn't the transition to EV's become problematic if the biggest producer of the materials for batteries decides to screw with us?
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Maybe I have this wrong, but given the tension between China and most western democracies couldn't the transition to EV's become problematic if the biggest producer of the materials for batteries decides to screw with us?
This figured with me as soon as I saw it.
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      09-14-2023, 08:09 AM   #4141
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Funny enough - you're not allowed to go to Antarctica. Only the elite are. And all guided tours are actually run through one company.
Most likely due to this!

What’s behind the surprising growth of one Antarctic ice sheet?
13/05/2022
A team of researchers from the universities of Cambridge and Newcastle in the UK and Canterbury University in New Zealand found that floating ice shelves on the eastern Antarctic Peninsula grew between 2000 and 2019.

They used satellite measurements dating back 60 years, as well as ocean and atmospheric records to get a detailed understanding of ice conditions in this 1,400 kilometre-long peninsula. Their results showed that 85 per cent of the ice shelf in this area grew since the early 2000s.

https://www.euronews.com/green/2022/...ctic-ice-sheet


You will NEVER see that in the main street media! Wonder Why?
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      09-14-2023, 08:18 AM   #4142
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China’s success is down to a multi-decade government-planned effort is both true and slightly academic at this stage. The country’s accumulated advantages are daunting. It controls two-thirds of global capacity for processing lithium, the raw material for batteries, and dominates every aspect of battery production. It produced 10 times as many battery vehicles last year as Germany. It has a manufacturing cost advantage of perhaps 20 to 25 per cent.
You want to know why? China's overall success comes down to the fact that they planned their economy long term as opposed to us. They took short term losses for long term gains. They slowly brought in manufacturing capabilities over the last 30 years and that combined with their natural resources advantage gave them a huge leg up. All in all... its not so simple though... they have a looming real estate crisis and the cost of labor has gone up multiples so manufacturing there is not nearly as cheap as it used to be. They are also hostile which is why many countries are looking at Vietnam and India now to manufacture. In addition, China's manufacturing capability has nothing without the Western world's demand which given the threat of a looming recession... could be in trouble soon.
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      09-14-2023, 08:24 AM   #4143
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Financial Times has a pay wall so you should post the pertinent information for the rest of us.

I get your drift but how many people want to buy a Electric car from a country that exported toxic dry wall and poison dog food? What could possibly go wrong?
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China in pioneering EV and controlling lithium mining and refining and Russia in supplying gas when Europe was busy decarbonising and shutting down their plants and reactors.
The whole situation is a mess.
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Climate Facepalm: EPA's McCarthy doesn't know percent of CO2 in atmosphere



Pathetic how little our ruling class knows about the facts involving our climate.
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
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      09-14-2023, 06:18 PM   #4146
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Interesting H. R. 1435 To amend the Clean Air Act to prevent the elimination of the sale of internal combustion engines

House approves bill against Calif. Clean Air Act waivers
California wants to phase out the sale of new gasoline-powered cars by 2035. An EPA waiver would allow other states to follow the Golden State’s lead.
“Electric vehicles are not for everyone,” said Rep. August Pfluger (R-Texas).
The White House released a statement of policy against the legislation this week but stopped short of a veto threat.

Democrats during floor debate said the bill would lengthen the nation’s dependence on oil and said the Biden administration is working to ensure that American companies produce the cars of the future.

https://www.eenews.net/articles/hous...r-act-waivers/

Every member of congress should be forced to sell their ICE's and go EV. When all the news stories start hitting the news about Congress personnel stranded out of electric or car jacked at a charging station, the death sentence of the ICE will be rescinded. Of course this will never get through the Senate.
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      09-14-2023, 06:21 PM   #4147
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The EPA dingbat is nothing. How about trying to push someone into heading the FAA whose experience was running bus stations. I don't think he could answer what is the main difference between a turboprop and a jet.

Simulation.
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Interesting H. R. 1435 To amend the Clean Air Act to prevent the elimination of the sale of internal combustion engines

House approves bill against Calif. Clean Air Act waivers
California wants to phase out the sale of new gasoline-powered cars by 2035. An EPA waiver would allow other states to follow the Golden State’s lead.
“Electric vehicles are not for everyone,” said Rep. August Pfluger (R-Texas).
The White House released a statement of policy against the legislation this week but stopped short of a veto threat.

Democrats during floor debate said the bill would lengthen the nation’s dependence on oil and said the Biden administration is working to ensure that American companies produce the cars of the future.

https://www.eenews.net/articles/hous...r-act-waivers/

Every member of congress should be forced to sell their ICE's and go EV. When all the news stories start hitting the news about Congress personnel stranded out of electric or car jacked at a charging station, the death sentence of the ICE will be rescinded. Of course this will never get through the Senate.
I have optimism that these policy mandates will be eased and that the EV market can mature appropriately. We will see.
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      09-14-2023, 06:36 PM   #4149
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CO2 Is only 0.04% or 400 parts per million of the Atmosphere yet we will destroy the worlds economies (except for China, Russia and India) chasing.
Plants generally start having stunted growth when ambient CO₂ levels drop below 200 ppm.
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The EPA dingbat is nothing. How about trying to push someone into heading the FAA whose experience was running bus stations. I don't think he could answer what is the main difference between a turboprop and a jet.

Simulation.
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Has to be.
Close - It real life, but also theater. The world is a stage….
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...in-food-u-turn

The comments seem to signal a major shift in government thinking after Emmanuel Macron shook France’s powerful intensive farming lobby, soon after coming to power in 2017, by saying it was time to “stop production, whether of poultry or pork, which no longer corresponds to our tastes or needs”.
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So, back to the question posed by Mr. Rick so long ago, "Do I still want an EV?"

I joined the Mach E forum last week to engage with the "community". Ford is incentivising sales of the Mach E at the moment. I'm a man with an open mind, but I'm also very hard to convince. After a week of following the threads on the Mach E forum, LOL, I am way farther away from wanting an EV more than ever before.

Between the real world range, crappy charging infrastructure, hardware issues (of the Mach E), all found via deep dive into threads, f*ck this EV idea. It's even more stupid than I initially thought.

What an effing joke.
Indeed taking everything into account it looks like a road to nowhere with the forcibly pushed EV's and some young generation taking lead ers' lies as gospel (''la la I see nothing'' ) being led by a string and a small cash back but only if they qualify.
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Close - It real life, but also theater. The world is a stage….
Theater is exactly what identity hires over qualifications is. Poshly progressive!
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Who can forget fluid lipstick boy. You know, the womens luggage thief.
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What really has not been addressed by the media and Environmentalists is the huge negative impact of EVs.

1 - The actual mining of rare earth metals needed for these batteries.
2 - The electric grid that powers EVs is done by coal and in some places natural gas. The amount powered by wind/solar is a drop in the bucket.

Also it doesn’t solve the issues of the main transportation pollutants - Cargo ships, cruise ships, private yachts, planes, private jets, trucks, heavy duty equipment etc.

We are turning the whole auto industry upside down without any meaningful data that shows long term environmental improvements.

It’s all a play to make $$$ and regular folks will suffer the burden due to higher purchase costs for new vehicles, higher energy costs (gas and electricity) and eventually higher registration costs for EVs to make up for loss of gas tax.

Sad that people are too preoccupied to see what’s happening and the ones that point this out are ridiculed for being against climate change.
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What really has not been addressed by the media and Environmentalists is the huge negative impact of EVs.

1 - The actual mining of rare earth metals needed for these batteries.
2 - The electric grid that powers EVs is done by coal and in some places natural gas. The amount powered by wind/solar is a drop in the bucket.

Also it doesn’t solve the issues of the main transportation pollutants - Cargo ships, cruise ships, private yachts, planes, private jets, trucks, heavy duty equipment etc.

We are turning the whole auto industry upside down without any meaningful data that shows long term environmental improvements.

It’s all a play to make $$$ and regular folks will suffer the burden due to higher purchase costs for new vehicles, higher energy costs (gas and electricity) and eventually higher registration costs for EVs to make up for loss of gas tax.

Sad that people are too preoccupied to see what’s happening and the ones that point this out are ridiculed for being against climate change.
I've written this repeatedly in this thread.

The real elephant in the room is the impact on the petrochemical industry. Fuels and chemicals distilled from crude oil are created at fixed ratios to one another. The ratios are not simply or easily or cheaply changed. The ratios are fixed by the design of the distillation infrastructure. A chemical plant just can't decide to make 50% gasoline, 15% jet fuel, and 30% diesel from a barrel of oil one day, then the next day make 30% gasoline, 25% jet fuel, and 40% diesel. So if the wealthy want to fly their private jets to Davos to have a climate summit, the ratio of jet fuel distilled still to get there nets the same amount of gasoline out of the barrel of crude used to make the jet fuel.

The eventual economic impacts are going to be severe.
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It's amazing the Green cult fails to understand the massive quantity of products produced from Petrochemicals.

The Petrochemical Products Flow Chart


Efthreeoh is completely correct that from a barrel of oil the ratios of derivatives from crude oil are somewhat fixed. So you can't just refine crude for everything but gasoline.

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It's amazing the Green cult fails to understand the massive quantity of products produced from Petrochemicals.

The Petrochemical Products Flow Chart


Efthreeoh is completely correct that from a barrel of oil the ratios of derivatives from crude oil are somewhat fixed. So you can't just refine crude for everything but gasoline.
I see . So the green plodders expect us to wash in just water with not even tar soap available in the future,,,
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I see . So the green plodders expect us to wash in just water with not even tar soap available in the future,,,
From what I hear there is plenty of whale blubber to make soap from...
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